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Today's Topics:
1. Re: New Member - Ah and Watt meter for motorcycle (Jeff Shanab)
2. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC (Roderick Wilde)
3. Re: Still trying to make sense of my data ... hoping
youcanhelp (Pestka, Dennis J)
4. Re: Plated! YEEE HA! (Bob Rice)
5. Re: New Member - Ah and Watt meter for motorcycle (Lee Hart)
6. Re: Plated! YEEE HA! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
7. 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. (Lawrence Rhodes)
8. High Voltage Fuse Boxes (Pestka, Dennis J)
9. Re: 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. (Paul compton)
10. Re: 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
11. utube TRON (Brian D. Hall)
12. Re: 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. (Lawrence Rhodes)
13. Doubler or Not (gottdi)
14. Re: Doubler or Not (Kenneth G. Gordon)
15. Re: High Voltage Fuse Boxes (Roland Wiench)
16. Re: 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. (Peter Oliver)
17. Re: High Voltage Fuse Boxes (Kenneth G. Gordon)
18. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC (Morgan LaMoore)
19. Re: 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. (Morgan LaMoore)
20. Re: Tax Rebates - any one tried the Federal AFV route?
(Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins)
21. Denver (Colorado) EV Council Meeting This Saturday
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:41:01 -0800
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New Member - Ah and Watt meter for motorcycle
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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The link-10 is the mainstay of us converters.
I couldn't buy one locally so I went to the local boating store and
bought a link 1000.
It has almost identical operation as the link 10, but is square instead
of round and has some provision for an aux battery.
I had to make my own prescaler because my pack is 288V and the link
10/100 are only good for 36V(or maybe 48 ???). It was easy to make and
found through this list. Check the Archives or maybe the author will
speak up (Lee ???).
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:42:23 -0800
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
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Hi Patrick, A very long time, no see. I am so glad to hear you have not
given up your dream! Yes the "Maniac Mazda" does still have two motors.
Actually two nine inch Advanced DC motors. It was named the "Maniac Mazda"
by the infamous John Wayland after it switched to two motors. John is
another member of the club of the censored. Part of my reason for posting is
to see just how long my message takes to get through. My last one took over
eight hours due to censorship. I usually no longer post as by the time my
messages get through the subject line has changed. In today's world
timeliness if everything. When I would post almost real time events of drag
races these same posts would be totally worthless. Isn't censorship
wonderful! I am personally part of a back channel group of racers who have
all been targeted for censorship by Mr. Roden. He seems to have a particular
grievance against anyone trying to push the development of EV technology and
to further the acceptance of EVs. He is getting very close to driving away
such notables as Lee Hart. His agenda is not clear. Please contact us off
list if you would like to get news in a timely fashion without censorship.
You may also wish to join a growing group of free thinking people who
believe in sharing EV technology. Of course you know that this message may
not slide through.
Roderick Wilde
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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
> >
>> Michael is trying to get his awesome car all dialed in and these guys are
>> home dreaming up the next big thing in EV racing since series/parallel
>> switching or Siamese motors, heh heh ;-)
>>
>>
> Am I remembering correctly that the Maniac Mazda had twin motors in itat
> some point?
>
>
> --
> Patrick Ira Donegan
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:16:12 -0600
From: "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Still trying to make sense of my data ... hoping
youcanhelp
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Paul;
I like your formula.
Seems to fit right in with a few others I've seen from Lee Hart, and Bob
Batson.
Thanks;
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:58 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Still trying to make sense of my data ... hoping
youcanhelp
Correct.
Paul Gooch
On Feb 18, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Josh Creel wrote:
> So does this represent 100% SOD?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Still trying to make sense of my data ...
> hoping you
> canhelp
>
>
>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Bill Dube wrote:
>>
>>> Figure that 500 lbs of lead is about 1 gallon of gasoline.
>>>
>>> If then original car got 28 miles per gallon of gasoline, the
>>> conversion will go about 28 miles (max) for each 500 lbs of lead you
>>> put in it.
>>>
>>> The Festiva gets about 27 mpg. He has 7 x 42 = 294 lb of
>>> lead. This suggests that he can go, at most, 16 miles.
>>
>> I'll toss out my formula for lead acid based EVs. R = W * (0.05 + A)
>>
>> R = range in miles
>> W = weight of the battery pack
>> A = an adjustment factor, 0 if 33% of the completed vehicle weight is
>> battery weight, -0.001 for each 1% less in battery weight or +0.001
>> for each 1% greater in battery weight
>>
>> I find this fairly accurate for the maximum range. It works for
>> vehicles where you don't have good before fuel mileage numbers (due
>> to the extent of modifications or the age of the vehicle.) The range
>> this predicts is pretty close to the vehicles maximum (don't plan on
>> going that far every cycle unless you like replacing batteries
>> often.) You should de-rate it for an appropriate depth of discharge.
>> It lands pretty close to reality for vehicles ranging from my EV
>> Buggy to the Red Beastie (RIP.)
>>
>> Paul Gooch
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:21:33 -0500
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plated! YEEE HA!
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Hi Dave an' All;
I GUESS my post made it to the List? Funny I never SAW it myself. But my
computer, Micro Sloth, or ATT Net, which bought out my beloved SNET.Net is
having processing problems? Computer is running SO Godamn SLOW. Seems to
take DAZE to download something, most of the time. They raised the damn
rates, too. So I guess they, like the Post Office, are charging for storage,
too? So I was thinking it may NOT be David holding up posts to the List, it
COULD be just the quirkyness of the Internet. Like a car, it's great when it
WORKS! My Compac machine when I first got it, had blazing speed hooked up to
the AT an' T DSL or what EVer they call it? Not a computer geek, I just log
on and hope it works? I HAVE a Spam catcher which works pretty well, I've
trained it to give me real mail, BUT I gotta go through it to find the
occasional Real Mail. So If ya wrote me, and no response ya might have been
trashed with the spam, try again!
Computer garu I had checked it out, sed it was FINE on HIS bench. THOUGHT
AT an' T was having issues? I have heard this gripe from others too.EVer TRY
to call them? That canned VOICE you can't talk to!! As bad as "Push 2 for
English" The classic " This Call is important to us , please stay on the
line" Yeah, RIGHT? Titanic's coming in Friday, got a nice bridge in Crooklyn
I'll sell ya! It is IMPOSSABLE to TALK to somebody at CT DMV, for example,
on the fone!
MAYBE it is just missunderstanding stuff going on of late is just a Tech
thing? David hasn't thrown many folks off the List, And I think that it has
been pretty civilized. Have you been on any OTHER Diss-cussion groups? See
what I mean? People screaming ALL UPPER CAPS, GET'S SO YOUR EARS
HURT<G>!Like that.Oh for lost netiquette. But if I offend, I'm only a"
Delete" button AWAY!
OK My two watts on the "Censorship" thing. That and 5 bux will get ya a
cup of coffee, and an artery clogging donut at Drunkin" Donuts!
See Ya
Bob
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plated! YEEE HA!
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:47:56 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New Member - Ah and Watt meter for motorcycle
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Jeff Shanab wrote:
> The link-10 is the mainstay of us converters.
> I couldn't buy one locally so I went to the local boating store and
> bought a link 1000.
>
> It has almost identical operation as the link 10, but is square instead
> of round and has some provision for an aux battery. I had to make my
> own prescaler because my pack is 288V and the link 10/100 are only
> good for 36V (or maybe 48V). It was easy to make and found through
> this list. Check the Archives or maybe the author will speak up (Lee?)
The original E-meter was made by Cruising Equipment company. They were
bought out by Heart Interface, and it was renamed the Link-10. Heart was
in turn bought out by Xantrex, and the "Xantrex Link-10" is still
available new; a friend just bought one at West Marine for $229. Xantrex
was also selling it in Europe under the Mastervolt name (I don't recall
the name they put on it).
The original E-meter had software features and hardware options that
suited it for EV use. The software could be programmed for "EV mode",
there was an added EV noise filter, it could be expanded to +/-1000 amps
and 0-500v, it had an RS-232 output option to log data, there was a
switchable output that could be used to control a battery charger or low
battery alarm, etc. These features have gradually been eliminated by
Heart and Xantrex. Some are still there, but hidden.
For EV use, the E-meter / Link-10 requires an external prescaler; this
converts the stock 0-50v range to 0-100v or 0-500v. Heart used to sell
it for around $50 -- I think they have stopped offering it altogether.
Fundamentally, the 0-100v prescaler is a 118K resistor from pin 4 to
your +HV pack; and the 0-500V is a 1057K resistor in the same place. An
"anti-idiot" 51v zener and 0.01uF capacitor were also included between
pin 4 and pin 1.
The RS-232 port option is not isolated -- plugging it straight into your
PC is liable to destroy it! They sold an opto-isolator for another $50
or so. Xantrex seems to have eliminated the serial option, but it can be
retrofitted (the recent meters I've seen have almost all the parts
already there).
Finally, you need an isolated power supply for the E-meter / Link-10. It
*cannot* be powered directly by your 12v accessory battery, or it will
short your propulsion pack to ground! A small 12v/12v DC/DC converter
was offered, for another $50 or so. This option is also gone, but you
can use any number of inexpensive substitutes. If you use a non-isolated
charger, be *sure* this DC/DC has at least a 1500v isolation rating.
I built a little "Companion" board that includes the prescaler, RS-232
isolator, and isolated power supply for these meters. I can sell these
for $60 if anyone is interested.
Heart repackaged the E-meter / Link-10 into a rectangular package and
called it the Link-20. This version eliminated all the EV options, but
added a second current and voltage input so it can monitor two 12v
batteries. You can use it for EV use if you build your own two
prescalers, and both batteries share a common ground (such as an EV with
two parallel strings of propulsion batteries). With a 0-500v prescaler,
it displays "12.34v" when the real value is "123.4v".
Heart also built the Link-1000 and Link-2000 versions in a similar
rectangular package. They add more features to suit Heart's other
products; inverter controls, and alternator controls. They are
expensive, and the extra features not especially useful in an EV, so
they are not a particularly good choice.
Xantrex has been pushing their XBM (Xantrex Battery Monitor) to replace
the E-Meter / Link-10. This is a cheap made-in-China replacement that
looks good on paper, but I don't know about its performance or quality.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:54:19 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plated! YEEE HA!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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VERY nice write up, Bob! Thanks much! :-)
Ken Gordon
On 20 Feb 2008 at 1:28, Bob Rice wrote:
> Hi EVerybody;
>
> The Sentra Saga continues
>
<much good stuff snipped>
>
> Happy Motoring See Ya!
>
> Bob
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:09:42 -0800
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how they are
going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range with a 360
pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy. Lawrence Rhodes....
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:11:41 -0600
From: "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] High Voltage Fuse Boxes
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I would like to add a fuse box similar to the stock 12 volt accessory
ones that we have in our vehicles.
Are there any available that are rated for the higher voltages.
Can you get any that use the newer spade type fuses.
I will be running a 156 volt system, with a 1200 amp Raptor controller.
As always thanks for all the great information this list provides;
Dennis
Elsberry, MO
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:40:43 +0000
From: "Paul compton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV.
To: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle
Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On 4:09:42 pm 20/02/2008 "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how they
> are going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range
> with a 360 pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy.
> Lawrence Rhodes....
I'd guess it's a combination of typical journalistic incompetance when it
comes to accuracy combined with an ignorance of the metric system (remember
the Cernigie Mellon report?).
A quick Google search reveals a weight of 1029Kg (2269lb)
Paul Compton
www.evguru.co.uk
www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk
www.sciroccoev.co.uk
www.morini-mania.co.uk
www.compton.vispa.com/the_named
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:50:02 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV.
To: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle
Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Crash Testing in Brazil?
Pete
On Feb 20, 2008, at 8:09 AM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how
> they are
> going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range
> with a 360
> pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy. Lawrence
> Rhodes....
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:22:19 -0800
From: "Brian D. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] utube TRON
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB4izMySKIc
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJs9RD_utPQ
--
Brian D. HAll
Thunderstruck-ev.com
3200 Dutton Ave #319
Santa Rosa, Ca 95407
707-575-0353 voice
707-544-5304 fax
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:27:22 -0800
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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My apologies to John & the Meanie. Thanks Paul for the Google. Lawrence
Rhodes....
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From: "Paul compton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Electric Vehicle
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV.
> On 4:09:42 pm 20/02/2008 "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how they
>> are going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range
>> with a 360 pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy.
>> Lawrence Rhodes....
>
> I'd guess it's a combination of typical journalistic incompetance when it
> comes to accuracy combined with an ignorance of the metric system
> (remember
> the Cernigie Mellon report?).
>
> A quick Google search reveals a weight of 1029Kg (2269lb)
>
>
> Paul Compton
> www.evguru.co.uk
> www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk
> www.sciroccoev.co.uk
> www.morini-mania.co.uk
> www.compton.vispa.com/the_named
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:34:50 -0800 (PST)
From: gottdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Doubler or Not
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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I am going to purchase a 72 volt DC to DC converter that puts out 24 volts.
Or I can get the converter that puts out 12v and use a doubler so I can
power the contactor. I was also told that I could just upgrade my
accessories to 24 volt and use the 24 volt converter. I never heard anyone
doing that. What do you guru's recommend that I do in regards to the DC to
DC converter. I don't really want to use a battery to power the components
unless I can use the converter to keep the battery charged. I will be doing
some searching on the forum but I can't right now. I am going in this
morning for surgery and may be off the puter for few.
Pete : )
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:46:09 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Doubler or Not
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On 20 Feb 2008 at 9:34, gottdi wrote:
>
> I am going to purchase a 72 volt DC to DC converter that puts out 24
> volts. Or I can get the converter that puts out 12v and use a doubler
> so I can power the contactor.
I'd use a doubler to power the contactor.
Changing everything in the car over to 24 VDC, although it
can be done, is a big hassle.
Remember KISS?
Ken Gordon
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:45:58 -0700
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High Voltage Fuse Boxes
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hello Dennis,
The maximum rated voltage for these push in fuses for vehicles, I have seen
is 60 VDC for vehicles systems that may range from 12 to 48 volts DC.
In my EV, I use industrial fuse holders, fuses, and fuse indicators that are
track mounted like a terminal strip. They are available from General
Electric, Westinghouse, Square D Company and similar companies.
The fuses can be rated up to 600 volts at 30 amps and are 13/32 dia by 1-1/2
inches long ferrule fuse.
We have a local distributor dealer, so I use the Square D units. You can
also special order any Square D devices from the Home Depot Contractor Order
desk.
The Square D NEMA Type Numbers are:
Mounting Track Type GH103 to GH172
Track End Clamps Type GH10
Fuse Blocks 600V Type GF6
End Barriers Type GF6B
Blown Fuse Indicator Type GLP3 for 120-240V - Optional
Type GLP6 for 277-600V - Optional
Also see: http://www.squared.com
For fuses: www.surplusssale.com
For Vehicle type plug in fuse panels: jegs.com
There is many other types of devices and larger mounting tracks call DIM
tracks that mount terminal blocks from 18 AWG to 500 MCM, switches, circuit
breakers, plug in relays, contactors, current relays, voltage relays, and
many interface units.
Behind my lift down dash panel, this unit is mounted on a aluminum chassis
plate that is 60 inches long by 12 inches high mounted about 3 inches from
the firewall on mounting legs. The terminal strip and track is also 60
inches long and all circuits in the EV terminal here.
There is no point to point wiring, meaning wiring a device in the EV and go
directly to another device. It first is connected to the terminal strip and
then is cross connected to other devices on the strip and/or to other
mounting strips that then cross connect to devices in that location.
This is how industrial type wiring is done. Aircraft wiring, missile site
wiring and may industrial complexes are done this way. It is very easy to
upgrade your EV without rewiring each time.
When I change out my CableForm controller with a Zilla controller, all I had
to do is to re-cross connected at the terminal blocks.
When I change out my CableForm Battery charger with a PFC-50, again all I
had to do was to re-cross connected the circuits at the terminal blocks.
There is also a circuit flow indicator panel on my console which is a
combination indicator and switches, that show the circuit flow from the
battery to the controller. If I get a green indication all the way through
this circuit, I know this circuit is good. If I get a green indicator up to
a certain point, then I know that device or fuse is blown, so all I do while
the EV is on the run, is turn off that circuit and turn on another back up
circuit and keep on going.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: [EVDL] High Voltage Fuse Boxes
> I would like to add a fuse box similar to the stock 12 volt accessory
> ones that we have in our vehicles.
> Are there any available that are rated for the higher voltages.
> Can you get any that use the newer spade type fuses.
> I will be running a 156 volt system, with a 1200 amp Raptor controller.
>
>
> As always thanks for all the great information this list provides;
>
> Dennis
> Elsberry, MO
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:51:24 -0800
From: "Peter Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV.
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'"
<ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Doesn't it also seem strange to heat the batteries up to 518 degrees before
charging?
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Of Paul compton
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:41 AM
To: Lawrence Rhodes; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV.
On 4:09:42 pm 20/02/2008 "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how they
> are going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range
> with a 360 pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy.
> Lawrence Rhodes....
I'd guess it's a combination of typical journalistic incompetance when it
comes to accuracy combined with an ignorance of the metric system (remember
the Cernigie Mellon report?).
A quick Google search reveals a weight of 1029Kg (2269lb)
Paul Compton
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www.morini-mania.co.uk
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:53:54 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High Voltage Fuse Boxes
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On 20 Feb 2008 at 10:11, Pestka, Dennis J wrote:
> I would like to add a fuse box similar to the stock 12 volt accessory
> ones that we have in our vehicles. Are there any available that are
> rated for the higher voltages?
Although I am not quite sure what you are asking, most normal fuses of
the 3AG size, the SIZE used in most older cars for accessories, have a
250 V rating. However, most automobile fuses, despite their 3AG size,
were rated for around 24 VDC as I remember it.
If you are talking about very high current, then there are standard
electrical fuses that are rated at 250 V and above, but I don't recall
ever seeing a mutiple-fuse, fuse-box for those.
> Can you get any that use the newer
> spade type fuses?
I am not sure about that, but I can look for you in my electrical parts
contractors list.
>I will be running a 156 volt system, with a 1200 amp
> Raptor controller.
We still need to know exactly what you are asking. If you mean a fuse
box for the motor, that is a different matter.
If you are asking about a fuse box for accessories at 156 VDC at much
lower current, that is an entirely different matter.
Please clarify.
There are fuses and holders rated for several kilovolts available.
Ken Gordon
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:58:04 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
To: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Really? Are you sure it's not just technical issues? All mails have
some delay to get through the list server, and some providers are
worse than others.
I get the impression that David is very reluctant to censor anything.
You're the first respectable member of the list that I've heard
complaining of censorship; it might just be a misunderstanding. And I
definitely don't think Mr. Roden has any grudge against drag racing or
furthering acceptance of EVs; drag racing is discussed quite a bit on
the list.
On another note, I hadn't realized how good Maniac Mazda is. A 11.04
ET on lead almost 10 years ago?! I'm impressed! I'd love to see
Lithium in that thing!
-Morgan LaMoore
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Patrick, A very long time, no see. I am so glad to hear you have not
> given up your dream! Yes the "Maniac Mazda" does still have two motors.
> Actually two nine inch Advanced DC motors. It was named the "Maniac Mazda"
> by the infamous John Wayland after it switched to two motors. John is
> another member of the club of the censored. Part of my reason for posting is
> to see just how long my message takes to get through. My last one took over
> eight hours due to censorship. I usually no longer post as by the time my
> messages get through the subject line has changed. In today's world
> timeliness if everything. When I would post almost real time events of drag
> races these same posts would be totally worthless. Isn't censorship
> wonderful! I am personally part of a back channel group of racers who have
> all been targeted for censorship by Mr. Roden. He seems to have a particular
> grievance against anyone trying to push the development of EV technology and
> to further the acceptance of EVs. He is getting very close to driving away
> such notables as Lee Hart. His agenda is not clear. Please contact us off
> list if you would like to get news in a timely fashion without censorship.
> You may also wish to join a growing group of free thinking people who
> believe in sharing EV technology. Of course you know that this message may
> not slide through.
>
> Roderick Wilde
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:29:07 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV.
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Yeah; my understanding was that NiMH doesn't accept charge well when
warm. (That article says it's a NiMH pack, although we know the
article isn't reliable.)
A Zebra battery, however, should stay heated to about that temperature
at all times; maybe they're using an exotic Zebra (molten sodium)
battery, or maybe that's just another thing the article got wrong.
Either way, though, you can't "quickly and efficiently" heat the
batteries to 500F; the batteries have thermal mass and it takes a lot
of energy to heat something like batteries from normal temperatures to
500F. If the batteries are well-insulated and stay at that
temperature, though, it's another story.
-Morgan LaMoore
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Peter Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Doesn't it also seem strange to heat the batteries up to 518 degrees before
> charging?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Paul compton
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:41 AM
> To: Lawrence Rhodes; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV.
>
>
>
> On 4:09:42 pm 20/02/2008 "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how they
> > are going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range
> > with a 360 pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy.
> > Lawrence Rhodes....
>
> I'd guess it's a combination of typical journalistic incompetance when it
> comes to accuracy combined with an ignorance of the metric system (remember
> the Cernigie Mellon report?).
>
> A quick Google search reveals a weight of 1029Kg (2269lb)
>
>
> Paul Compton
> www.evguru.co.uk
> www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk
> www.sciroccoev.co.uk
> www.morini-mania.co.uk
> www.compton.vispa.com/the_named
>
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:17:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: "Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tax Rebates - any one tried the Federal AFV route?
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Andy and All,
Wow, the feds are now talking about EV conversions now? I took the Qualified
Alternative Fuel Motor Vehicle tax credit on my S10 conversion back in '02
using IRS Form 8910. Although the instructions did not mention conversions back
than, I figured since the vehicle was re-titled with electric fuel, it was
worth a try. As I recall, Mark Hanson had done this on a conversion and had
posted to the list about it. For those of you in Colorado that are thinking
about converting, I got something like a $6500 credit that carried forward for
five years!
Suck Amps,
BB
>Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:11:34 -0700
>
>As I do my taxes and feel the pain, I salve myself by scouring the net
>for deductions... I have been reading hard into EV incentives, and
>have re-read the below verbage a number of times. Has anyone on this
>board tried going through this method for incentives? Seems like a bit
>of paperwork, but the law states that conversions are explicitly
>covered. Seems that the manufacturers of the kits (Azure for me) would
>need to carry this certificate and an installer (me) would get some
>amount of training from them, and perhaps the incentive would work.
>Thoughts??
>
>Andy Herringshaw
>Ames, IA
>
>http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/progs/view_ind_fed.php/afdc/348/0
>
>RS Notice 2006-54 (PDF 37 KB
><http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-06-54.pdf>), issued in June 2006,
>extends the Qualified Alternative Fuel MotorVehicle (QAFMV) tax credit
>to vehicle conversions. This IRS guidancestates that new or used
>vehicles, placed in service as alternative fuelvehicles after January 1,
>2006, qualify for the tax credit when theconversion system manufacturer
>has received a certificate of conformityfrom the EPA or California Air
>Resources Board. This guidance alsoestablishes that manufacturers
>(conversion system installers) mustprovide certification to the IRS that
>a vehicle is eligible for a taxcredit. The IRS must then provide the
>manufacturer with acknowledgementthat a vehicle qualifies for the
>credit. The credit is taken by thebuyer of a vehicle, and IRS Form 8910
>should be used to claim thecredit. The credit cannot be sold or
>transferred but can be carriedforward by the seller for use in later
>years.
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:25:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: "Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Denver (Colorado) EV Council Meeting This Saturday
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All,
Also see:
www.devc.info
Suck Amps,
BB
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>
>Please note that Bill Dube is going to be the speaker at the next DEVC
>meeting on Saturday February 23 at 10 am at the Wheel Experience Gallery
>(Graham's
>store) here in Boulder.
>What: Bill Dube and his Killacycle (World?s Fastest Electric Motorcycle)
>will be the meeting topic. Killacycle is powered by A123 lithium cells.
>When: Saturday February 23, 2008
>Where: 3970 Broadway Suite B-4 (Behind Dagabi Restaurant)
>Time: 10 am-12 noon
>Mike Bachand
>Denver Electric Vehicle Council (DEVC) - Colorado Chapter of the EAA
>1994 Kawasaki Ninja EV
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/748
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