Dear Bhav,

when folks approached me with such a time volume I spoke to them about what they could expect with half a day, a full day, two days and three days. For some reasons, they were not very excited with what I promised them with a half day event and in most cases rescheduled and had one day events or even more.

Here are two summaries of the various lengths in my practice in 167 events that I researched back in 2008 or thereabouts

1
Length of open space events

Twenty different lengths and differently structured open space events from my practice, sorted by length
• -Morning, 4 hours (9am to 1pm)
• -Afternoon, 4 hours (2pm to 6pm or 3pm to 7pm)
• -Afternoon, 6 hours (2pm to 8pm)
• -Afternoon, 6 hours with reading and supplementary round
• -Full day, 6 hours (10am to 4pm)
• -Full day, 6 hours with reading and supplement round
• -Full day, 8 hours (9am to 5pm)
• -Full day, 8 hours with action planning
• - Whole day, 8 hours with reading and supplement round and action planning
• -A long afternoon and a morning of action planning (15 to 15 p.m.).
20 and 9 to 13)
• -Full day and one morning
• -Whole day and a morning, action planning in the morning
• -Full day and an afternoon with action planning a week later
• -Two days
• -Two days of reading and supplementing rounds over lunchtime on the second day and beyond
action planning
• -Afternoon, all day, morning, with reading group and action planning at the last
Late morning
• -Afternoon, all day, afternoon with reading session and action planning on the last
Afternoon
• -2.5 days with a reading circle and action planning on the last half day (full day, full
day and morning)
• -2.5 days with a reading circle and action planning on the last half day (full day, full
day and afternoon)
• -2.5 days with reading and supplementary gallery in the evening of the second day and
Action planning in the last half day

2
Comparison of a three day and a 2 day event

Length of open space events

Possibilities of a three-day event with 4.5 hours in the afternoon of the first day, 8 hours on the second day and 3.5 hours on the third day, a total of 16 hours, sleeping twice

compared to a

two-day event with 8.5 hours on the first day and 3.5 hours on the second day, a total of 12 hours. I have facilitated short events of 3.5 hours and such of 16 hours spread over 3 days...and everything in between. Looking 167 events accompanied by me
I see over 20 variants. All have their justification and
significantly different possibilities.
Urgent, complex and conflicting challenges, to which there are different
positions of the various stakeholders  need more than an afternoon to reach robust and sustainable action steps. Thorough discussions, including a dive into the past (divergent phase) and the development of robust, sustainable action steps with concrete agreements (converging phase) are possible in a three day event (half day, full day and half day, 16 hours total, sleeping twice).

This process allows:
1. Six to seven beginning times for break out sessioons
2. Three circles for all participants to come together to post issues (at the beginning, in the evening of the first day and in the morning of the
second day)
3. Two evenings and two nights to process ideas, thoughts and plans
4. Incorporation of posted reports from other break out sessions to get suggestions, to see connections and identify opportunities for collaboration 5. Outlook and action space on the third day, including the next step for each project.

A relatively small reduction in overall time of 25% from 16 hours, distributed over three days, to 12 hours over two days, has the following effects:
1. Three to four beginning times for break out sessions (approx. 50% less)
2. Only one time for all participants to come together for posting issues
(67% less)
3. Only one evening and night to process ideas and thoughts (50% less)
4. Reduced inclusion of already published reports from other break out sessions, since almost all of the time was spent in the break out sessions on the first day 5. Reading all reports from the break out sessions mainly only in the reading and augmentation round after the last break out sessions
6. Outlook and action space on the second day, after only one night to
"Digest".

In comparison, this means:

• With three to four break out sessions, participants only have the
half the opportunities to be involved in issues that interest them
• With three to four break out sessions,  participation of individuals can decrease to two to three issues if a particular issue requires more than one break out session • If there are three to four break out sessions, the option to skip one phase is still there, but with the consequence of only being able to take part in two or three break out sessions • Three to four break out sessions instead of 6 to 7 with 40 issues posted by 110 participants, needs 14 break out spaces, seven beginning times for break out sessions requires only 7 break out spacess ... a more manageable situation for the participants to grasp the whole system,
and requiring significantly less space
• Sleeping twice means a deeper penetration of systemic connections, links and possibilities and consequently more robust agreements than just sleeping once ... peace and serenity to get on with important stuff
• At an event lasting one and a half days, many participants see the
results of the other break out sessions for the first time in the evening of the first day in the reading and augmenting round or even on the second day shortly before the action space. This leads to a lower processing depth with regard to cooperation, networking and robust next steps
• If there is only one day for break out sessions, time for additions to the
reports in the reading and augmentation round is reduced. Calm and
leisure for taking in all reports was reduced.
• The unfolding of the typical dynamic, which also leads to the discovery of new issues is limited...there's just less total time and only one instead of three structured opportunity (circles for the whole group) to bring up new issues
• Space and time for the unfolding of self-organization, and for development
of perspectives for action and agreement on next steps is reduced.

If you got to this point of my lengthy mail it might be a good idea to take a nap.

Have a great day!

mmp

PS: Watched a long TV documentation yesterday on the highly complex situation in Moldova... what a challenge!


Am 19.05.2023 um 04:58 schrieb Bhavesh Patel via OSList:
When I have 90 minutes, I call it Options Space, not Open Space Technology because:

  * I still offer the principles and the law.
  * However I have observed that movement between sessions is a lot less.
  * I rarely see people sitting outside of sessions.
  * It's like they have chosen an option and they stick with it.
  * I feel like more time is needed for the OST spirit and dynamics to
    kick-in and unfold.
  * So I have started calling the 90 minutes Options Space instead.

What's your experience?


On Fri, 19 May 2023 at 01:48, Anna Caroline Türk via OSList <[email protected]> wrote:

    Dear Joe,

    It's wonderful in Berlin - we had a sunny day off :)
    I have only been once in Limerick hitchhicking back to Galway with
    my boyfriend at the age of 17. After lots of waiting we wrote a
    sign " Just 3 miles" - to encourage drivers to even take us for a
    short part of the trip. Finally we were extrely lucky and tourists
    from the US picked us up - we ended up spending several days with
    them and later visited them in Texas. This is my memory of your
    part of the world. :)

    And happy to hear that you're bringing Open Space to your
    communities! How did you find out about it and how did you mentor
    yourself to apply it? With the help of Harrison Ownes Book "Open
    Space Technology", or how is your story?

    For your 90 minutes Open Space next week I am curious about a
    couple of things.

      * Is the Open Space part of a bigger meeting? Or are the
        participants arriving in that moment?
      * Who chose the title of the Open Space?
      * Who will do the Welcome at the beginning? Do you have a sponsor?
      * Do you have a big room with a circle and breakout areas close
        by or in the room?
      * How many starting times for breakout sessions have you planned?
      * Are there more meetings planned for the near or far future?
      * Will you invite them to write down highlights of their
        conversations, will these be shared with everyone?


    I am happy to share a few ideas with you - once I know about more
    about these things.

    Liebe Grüße
    Anna Caroline







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    Am Mi., 17. Mai 2023 um 10:02 Uhr schrieb Joe Power
    <[email protected]>:

        Hi Anna,

        Wie geht es in Berlin? Thanks for the message. Galway is a
        great city.

        I held an OS for anyone in the restorative practices community
        in Ireland to come together to see what else could be
        achieved. Had 30 people show up and the feedback was great.
        People couldn't believe the freedom. Am doing one in person
        next week (just 90 minutes though) for people in a community
        with a lot of antisocial behaviour. They are bringing 20
        parents and 6 or 7 "professionals" and I think an Open Space
        is the best way to maximise engagement and ideas. The time is
        obviously short, and I've never done one in-person, nor done
        training, nor attended one, but hopefully it goes to plan.
        Would welcome any advice from anyone.

        Joe

        On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 8:44 AM Anna Caroline Türk
        <[email protected]> wrote:

            Hi Joe,

            I went to school in Galway- but I don’t live in Ireland
            any more. I hope this still qualifies me to talk with you
            about your experience ☺️

            I can relate to you having the bug - I guess something
            similar happens to me 20 years ago.

            Liebe Grüße from Berlin
            Anna Caroline


            Joe Power via OSList <[email protected]> schrieb am Mi.
            17. Mai 2023 um 08:53:

                Hi there,
                Am new to OS (via restorative practice) and would love
                to connect with anyone in Ireland or who has done work
                in Ireland. Held an online OS this week and have the bug!
                Regards
                Joe

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