Hi James;

I suspected that this part of my argument to Stephen would raise objections from other members of this board.

'>Actually, this is not correct; but a presumption of experiential pre-bias.'

It may be. Nevertheless, without the experience to hand at all, I maintain that the asymetry exists in the sense that my movement in spatial dimensions is second nature, movement in time - other than the apparantly inevitable next step forward - is theoretical at best. It is not something I can just do, I am in the 'now' in a stronger sense than I am 'here'.

But, say time travel is possible, we have a futher asymetry in so far as the idea that time is a dimension in the same sense that x,y,z leads to paradoxes if we attempt to move around it. Spatial movement does not involve paradoxes.

I think this is enough to establish an asymetry in nature rather than just experience.



From: James N Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: everything-list@eskimo.com
CC: Stephen Paul King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a "dimension"
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:11:55 -0700

chris peck wrote:
> Hi Stephen;
> I suppose we can think of time as a dimension. However, there are provisos.
> Time is not like x, y, or z in so far as we have no ability to freely
> navigate the axis in any direction we choose. We are embedded in time and it > moves onwards in a single direction without anyone’s consent. Furthermore, > where it possible to move around in time all sorts of paradoxes would appear > to ensue that just don’t when I traverse the spatial dimensions. I’d appeal > to an asymmetry between time and space, it is a dimension of sorts, but not > one that can conceptually swapped with a spatial dimension easily. I don’t > think the a priori requirements for space will be necessarily the same as
> those for time.

Actually, this is not correct; but a presumption of experiential pre-bias.
While it is true that we can calculate negative spatial values and not
identify negative temporal values easily - or at all in some cases - let
me describe motion in this alternative way for you:

1. All action/motion is never a single dimension but instead, a net-vector.
(be it spatially evaluated or temporally or both).

therefore, it is quite possible to say that the impression of time
as a positive single vector is masking its composite dimensional structure
which it is really made of.

2. Negative spatial distances are calculation illusions, usable only because
we can visually identify a sequence reversal and label the suquences
alternatively - even though - in a relativistic universe, ALL actions and
traversals of 'distance' are and can only be done ... positively.
"Negative" dimension values are conditional computational handwavings.

And again, even spatial traversals are net-vectors.  A body in true motion
through space is ALWAYS in a positive net-vector; the same as
presumptively ascribed only to time.

Therefore, Time can and undoubtably does have, internal dimesional
structuring; contrary to the conventional view of it not.

James Rose
"Understanding the Integral Universe" (1972;1992;1995)

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