OOPS, Kim,
now you touched 'what is art'? BTW: that ancient pianochopping advertised: "plays on the piano" which was more than your silent musician could claim. "Playing" can mean different activities. Not only the brainwashed-in 'artistic' fingering. Physicists for instance claim to assign some meaning even to the word-artifact "entropy". (Then they change it 15-20 times so far and still counting). Art? Life? Creativity? Have a good day --- Kim Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But your 20s avant guardist actually *did* something > in relation to > his act! My pianist just sits there. There's a > difference, don't you > think? In your case something is given, in my case > nothing is. There > is no mystery in your case. The mystery in mine is > why some people > thought they had received what they paid for and > others did not. > > Perhaps it is only via that special mental activity > we refer to as > "creativity" that we are able to "give freely". You > can even - via > artistic expression - convince (some) people that > Nothing is Something. > > Happens all the time in Hollywood......;) > > You have to remember that most of what people call > "art" is something > that happens inside their head anyway. I'm quite > sure that there > would have been some people at your concert in the > 20s who considered > hacking a piano to pieces a valid form of musical > expression, just as > at least half of the audience who sat through John > Cage's 4'33" (he's > no 'epigone', mate!) in the 50s were prepared to pay > the ticket price > to watch a guy looking at a piano keyboard. > > Pure nothing is unusual. I can only JUST bear it for > 4'33". > > Why this duration? > > I hope people see the point to this end of the > discussion > > cheers, > > Kim > > > > > On 07/03/2006, at 6:27 AM, John M wrote: > > > > > Kim, > > > > you described an epigon (I suppose) It happened in > the > > 20s at an 'avant-guard' performance that the > pianist > > walked in with a big hatchet and chopped the piano > to > > pieces, then took a bow and left. (I did not call > that > > a concert). > > People like to expect what they are used to. > > > > John > > > > --- Kim Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Somebody once wrote a piece of music which in > fact > >> involved not > >> writing a piece of music at all. > >> > >> The score of the piece merely instructs the > pianist > >> to sit down, open > >> the lid of the piano and wait out a period of 4' > 33" > >> then close the > >> piano lid and walk off. > >> > >> Many people who "heard" it at the premiere felt > >> ripped off. Others > >> agreed with the composer that music had in fact > >> occurred. > >> > >> Something was given for Nothing > >> > >> Does something have to be paid for? > >> > >> Kim Jones > >> > >> On 06/03/2006, at 4:14 PM, Norman Samish wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> "Why is there something rather than nothing?" > >>> > >>> When I heard that Famous Question, I did not > >> assume that "nothing" was > >>> describable - because, if it was, it would not > be > >> "nothing." I > >>> don't think > >>> of "nothing" as an empty bitstring - I think of > it > >> as the absence of a > >>> bitstring - as "no thing." > >>> > >>> Given that definition, is there a conceivable > >> answer to The Famous > >>> Question? > >>> > >>> Norman > >>> > >>> > >> > >> =========================== > >> > >> Everyone lies about everything all of the time. > >> Believe me. > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > =========================== > > Everyone lies about everything all of the time. > Believe me. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
