Le 18-juil.-06, à 17:02, 1Z a écrit :
> > It is far from obvious that a simulation even > contains 1stP POV's. I agree with you. That is why I postulate comp to begin with. > In any case > that doesn't effect the logic: simulations > *might* be detectable, so they are not necessarily > indetectable. I totally agree with you. Indeed, I take the qm-MWI (Everett, Deutsch, ...) as evidence we are detecting the "simulated" or "emulated" aspect of our reality. Comp predict that any machine looking below its "level of substitution" will detect, albeit indirectly, the presence of *many* interfering realities. Only with comp, those realities are not material, but number theoretical. > > >> No. But what actually *seems* to exist, could emerge from mathematical >> truth. > > No, same problem. There's no more any phenomenality to be > found in maths than any substantiallity. But there is no more any phenomenality to be found in physics, nor really substantiality, unless you define it by electron or strings. But nobody has proved that electron or string, or energy, ... are stuffy. In books and laboratories I see only relation between numbers, and eventually they are related to personal qualia, like the feeling to see a needle on some apparatus. You seem to believe it is easier to make consciousness emerged or just related with stuffy things. How and why? Many philosophers of mind agree that a pain or any qualia are not something localized. A pain is already immaterial, and that is why so many accept the comp hyp (perhaps without seeing the consequences of it): it is easier to explain (or to tackle an explanation) of consciousness (immaterial) from something immaterial (like numbers or relations between numbers) than on something material. Especially when we don't know what "material" really means. I hope you agree that the mind/body problem is not yet solved. My point is just a reformulation of it in the comp frame. Then I got partial solutions. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
