Le 04-août-06, à 15:18, W. C. a écrit :

> I remember other people mentioned before. *Normal* people can't accept 
> that
> there is no physical universe.
> Even Buddhists won't say that.

Sorry. I was short. All what I say is that IF we take the comp hyp 
seriously enough THEN we can see that "physical" is not a primitive 
things (this follows from the UD reasoning, you can ask question). I 
was meaning there is no "primitive" or "substantial" or "primary" 
physicalness. Naïve primitive Matter is a form of "ether" (assuming 
comp). On the contrary "physics", as the science of observable patterns 
reemerge as a study of relative measure on computations (more exactly 
quotient of set of computations by a relation of undistinguishability 
related to person's point of view). Those are well defined through the 
Church thesis in computer science. Now the objective idealist (not 
solipsist) type of reality we are lead to from the comp assumption has 
been defended by many buddhist schools (mainly from the Mahayana), and 
has been more or less the orthodox way to consider reality during a 
millennium of greek philosophy/theology. You are right it hurts common 

The rest of your post has been well answered by Stathis and Quentin, 
imo. I have nothing to add.
Recall that nobody asks you to believe that comp is correct, just to 
assume it for the sake of the argument.



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