I am sorry to have asked that question.
I meant 'religion' as assigning those 'unanswered' questions to some 
super-authority and 'believe' an answer assigned as if a higher 
authority-wisdom would have provided them, whilst they came from (definitely 
wise) humans of THAT age (i.e. level of epistemic readiness). Mostly with 
mystical painting.
Then later on powers picked it up, formulated those ideas into formats 
according to their goals (any, according to the 'times')
and waged brutal wars all the way to this day.
Instead of in a  - as you said - modestly scientific manner admitting our 
ignorance. Which does not interfere with trying to find solutions....
How about steering 'comp' in the direction of the 3rd millennium level of 
ideas AD instead of BC times?

Sorry, I don't know those gentlemen you mention, but it seems they want to 
explain the fundamentally unknown by parts (ideas) of the same fundamentally 
unknown . Matter? Math-cal logic? Computer science? all embedded into the 
age-old ways.
Even the last one, unless it 'forms' out itself from its rather embryonic 
phase of the early development. (Digital that is).

John M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruno Marchal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Bruno's argument - Comp

Le 03-août-06, à 23:05, John M a écrit :

> Are we reinventing the religion?


Now, it is not that science is suddenly so clever that it can solve the
problem in religion. It is (justifiably assuming comp) that we can
approach some religion's problem with the modesty inherent in the
scientific attitude, and then deduce testable facts.

That scientific attitude has ALWAYS been in conflict, of course, with
all form of scientism or religionism or whatever based on authoritative
It is fair to say that Aristotelism has probably saved the observation
of nature from the influence of such authoritative arguments, but it
has saved only that, and I think it could perhaps be time to dare, at
least, reformulate unsolved old question. Comp gives an opportunity to
do that. It clearly provides the tools. As Rudy Rucker, Judson Webb,
Paul Benacerraf, and others have already shown, notably, is that
computer science and mathematical logic makes it possible to develop
theories putting light on those questions. About the nature of
"matter", Comp, then, appears to go more in the direction of Plato and
Plotinus than Aristotle. Is that even astonishing?


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