On 4/29/2025 3:46 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 9:21 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:

    /> Presumably, if Maxwell's equations are solved in empty space,
    in the absence of charged particles, the E and B fields will be
    identically zero./


*Yes.*

    /> If the same problem is solved in Quantum EM theory, won't we
    also get the same classical result,/


*No. If the electric, magnetic, gravitational, or any other type of field was precisely zero then you would know exactly what the energy density was in any arbitrarily short amount of time, zero. And quantum mechanics says that is impossible. *
No, QM says that if you */measure /*the field there is an uncertainty relation between the energy and duration measured values. Measure also refers to interactions that imply values.

Brent

*So the amount of energy must be greater than zero for short amounts of time, the shorter the time the greater the energy. This is why there are virtual particles, they can't be detected directly but they produce effects that can be detected, the simplest and most dramatic is the Casimir Effect.*

    /> but then won't the HUP fail to be satisfied?/


*I don't know about that butHUP fails to satisfy me because IHA. *
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