On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 9:58 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: *>>> but then won't the HUP fail to be satisfied?* *>> I don't know about that but HUP fails to satisfy me because IHA. * *> Never heard of the HUP, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle?* *Yes of course I've heard of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, but I've NEVER heard it referred to as "HUP".* > *As for the Casimir Effect, it can be predicted classically, * *BULLSHIT!! **Classical physics doesn't have zero-point energy or vacuum fluctuations! Schrodinger's equation insists those things must exist while classical physics insists they do not. Numerous experiments, including observations of the Casimir effect, prove that Schrodinger's equation is correct and classical physics is wrong. * *> so it proves nothing about virtual particles.* *BULLSHIT!* *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* The Casimir Effect can be predicted classically, as Van der Waals forces. BTW, HUP is used frequently. I'm suprised you haven't noticed it. As for virtual particles, they're "off shell", meaning they violate conservation of energy. You're out on a limb to place any faith in their existence. AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect "The treatment of boundary conditions in these calculations is controversial. In fact, "Casimir's original goal was to compute the van der Waals force <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force> between polarizable molecules <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipolar_polarization>" of the conductive plates. Thus it can be interpreted without any reference to the zero-point energy (vacuum energy) of quantum fields." 7ss -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/18f6ce72-8405-41be-8b90-7d66bfbed8dfn%40googlegroups.com.
