On Thu, Dec 25, 2025 at 4:04 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote
*>>>>> The difference is that human specialization emerges from a single, > unified system* > *>>>>If that was true then Einstein could've used language to explain > exactly how he got such wonderfully good ideas* > *>>>How do you know he couldn't? * > *>> I know that because I have read some of the stuff he has written but > I'm still not as smart as Einstein.* > *> I've read stuff he wrote too, but I don't recall him explaining how he > got good ideas except in few instances. I doubt you even know how you get > good ideas. It seems to me they just come into my mind as a think of a > problem.* *Yes exactly! Einstein never used language to explain how he got his wonderful ideas because he couldn't and he couldn't because language was not how we got those ideas in the first place. So there must have been more to Einstein's mind than just the ability to use language. So his mind was not "a single unified system" as you claimed. So there's no reason to expect or to demand that an AI be a large language model and nothing else. * *> Have you read the book that describes Einstein's patented ideas. He > patented quite a few inventions and in some cases, with the help of an > engineering partner, tried to make them into products. For example he > patented an airfoil. The only one that worked was a gas refrigerator. > Even geniuses don't always have good ideas.* > *Einstein had nearly 50 patents, believe it or not he even got a patent for a new type of elastic vest, it looked like this: * [image: 8EBF4576-5257-4FC6-B629-890F7FAC89BC.jpeg] *As you mentioned Einstein is better known for inventing two different types of refrigerators, both of them worked but neither of them were very practical. Einstein is even better known for doing some other stuff. * *That Time Albert Einstein Decided to Try to Revolutionize Keeping Food Cold <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrRVDpLJgGQ>* *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* mzc > > > > > *>> And a great human grandmaster has developed a specialized chess >>> program in his head, that's why he may be able to beat any human being on >>> the planet at the game of chess but he's not especially good at anything >>> else. There is however one big difference between the human and the >>> computer, the human developed his skill after years of watching other >>> grandmasters and reading books about chess, but the computer program >>> AlphaZero needed no help from anything except simple instructions that told >>> it (or him or her) which moves were legal and which were illegal. And just >>> 24 hours later, after playing millions of games of chess against >>> itself, AlphaZero was able to beat that human chess grandmaster. * >> >> >> *> But would that work at Poker?* >> > > > *Yes. No-limit Texas Hold'em is the most popular form of poker and it's > played in the World Series of Poker, and in 2017 the AI program "Libratus" > defeated the best human poker players in the world. It got so good at the > game by using something called Counterfactual Regret Minimization. It > played trillions of hands of poker against copies of itself and after each > hand it in effect looks back and asks "what if I had played differently?" > For every decision point it calculates regret for not taking alternative > actions and gradually adjusts its strategy to minimize this regret. This > process converges to a Nash equilibrium strategy which is unexploitable > even by a perfect opponent who knows your strategy.* > > I didn't know that; very interesting. And I'll bet it had an excellent > poker face. > > > > > Have you read the book that describes Einstein's patented ideas. He > patented quite a few inventions and in some cases, with the help of an > engineering partner, tried to make them into products. For example he > patented an airfoil. The only one that worked was a gas refrigerator. > Even geniuses don't always have good ideas. > [image: 8EBF4576-5257-4FC6-B629-890F7FAC89BC.jpeg] > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv29VVHNA%2Bk3MB_m%3Dy9cThjtiNBeGinsUd%3DOWboARb5b7Q%40mail.gmail.com.
