On 12/26/2025 3:20 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Dec 25, 2025 at 4:04 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
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/>>>>> The difference is that human specialization emerges from a
single, unified system/
*>>>>If that was true then Einstein could've used language to
explain exactly how he got such wonderfully good ideas*
/>>>How do you know he couldn't? /
*>> I know that because I have read some of the stuff he has
written but I'm still not as smart as Einstein.*
/> I've read stuff he wrote too, but I don't recall him
explaining how he got good ideas except in few instances. I doubt
you even know how you get good ideas. It seems to me they just
come into my mind as a think of a problem./
*Yes exactly!Einstein never used language to explain how he got his
wonderful ideas because he couldn't and he couldn't because language
was not how we got those ideas in the first place. So there must have
been more to Einstein's mind than just the ability to use language. So
his mind was not "/a single unified system/" as you claimed. *
First, I didn't claim that. You're mixing my posts with those of my
son, Barrett.**And in any case "a single unified system" doesn't
necessarily imply that everything in the system is explicable in
language.For example a computer translator from English to German is a
single unified system...but it can't explain what it's circuitry is. A
system may be unified only in terms of having the same ends.*
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*So there's no reason to expect or to demand that an AI be a large
language model and nothing else. *
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/> Have you read the book that describes Einstein's patented
ideas. He patented quite a few inventions and in some cases, with
the help of an engineering partner, tried to make them into
products. For example he patented an airfoil. The only one that
worked was a gas refrigerator. Even geniuses don't always have
good ideas./
*Einstein had nearly 50 patents,believe it or not he even got a patent
for a new type of elastic vest, it looked like this: *
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*As you mentioned Einstein is better known forinventing two different
types of refrigerators, both of them worked but neither of them were
very practical. Einstein is even better known for doing some other
stuff. *
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*That Time Albert Einstein Decided to Try to Revolutionize Keeping
Food Cold <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrRVDpLJgGQ>
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*John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
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*>> And a great human grandmasterhas developed a
specialized chess program in his head, that's why he may
be able to beat any human being on the planet at the game
of chess but he's not especially good at anything else.
There is however one big difference between the human and
the computer, the human developed his skill after years
of watching other grandmasters and reading books about
chess, but the computer program AlphaZero needed no help
from anything except simple instructions that told it (or
him or her) which moves were legal and which were
illegal. And just 24 hours later, after playing millions
of games of chess against itself, AlphaZero was able to
beatthat human chess grandmaster. *
/> But would that work at Poker?/
*Yes. No-limit Texas Hold'em is the most popular form of poker
and it's played in the World Series of Poker, and in 2017 the AI
program "Libratus" defeated the best human poker players in the
world. It got so good at the game by using something called
Counterfactual Regret Minimization. It played trillions of hands
of poker against copies of itself and after each hand it in
effect looks back and asks "what if I had played differently?"
For every decision pointit calculates regret for not taking
alternative actions and gradually adjusts its strategy to
minimize this regret. This processconverges to a Nash equilibrium
strategy which is unexploitable even by a perfect opponent who
knows your strategy.*
I didn't know that; very interesting. And I'll bet it had an
excellent poker face.
Have you read the book that describes Einstein's patented ideas.
He patented quite a few inventions and in some cases, with the
help of an engineering partner, tried to make them into products.
For example he patented an airfoil. The only one that worked was
a gas refrigerator. Even geniuses don't always have good ideas.
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Brent
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