But a solipsist would appear mad in his self-generated world at the very point 
where he sees through his delusion. The tragedy is that he could never prove 
solipsism true even if it were true, and it would be "irrational" to believe it 
true 
even if it were true.

Stathis Papaioannou

> True, I may go a step further:
> In those terms as I defined an 'earlier solipsism' in another post, there is
> NO "real solipsist".
> Maybe in the nuthouse. Or on his way to one.
> 
> Game-playing is human and many fall into substituting their game for the
> real world. From Hitler to a nun.
> I was not thinking on the "intermittent solips" as pointed to by some
> (reasonable) list-colleagues.
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:59 PM
> Subject: RE: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test
> 
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> Even a real solipsist might eat, sleep, talk to people etc., all under the
> impression that everything is a
> construction of his own mind. People willingly suspend disbelief in order to
> indulge in fiction or computer
> games, and a solipsist may believe that he is participating in the greatest
> and most perfect of games. I
> think that most real solipsists would eventually go mad and start to believe
> that the game is reality. Maybe
> that's why there aren't that many of them around.
> 
> Stathis Papaioannou
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test
> > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:51:28 -0400
> >
> >
> > Stathis:
> > wouod a "real" solipsist even talk to you?
> > John M
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Bruno Marchal" <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruno Marchal writes:
> >
> > > About solipsism I am not sure why you introduce the subject. It seems
> > > to me nobody defend it in the list.
> >
> > Is anyone out there really a solipsist? Has anyone ever met or talked to a
> > real solipsist?
> >
> > Stathis Papaioannou
> >
> >
> > >
> 
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