Colin G. Hales: so we are all liars.
As a matter of fact I never agreed to be a 'scientist' (and listmembers may approve that), and I try to do science (my term) on science (their term). I am still struggling with the identification of my term. "Their" term is: a wrong model view. But we all pretend to be smart liars. * Your last paragraph paved my way to the nuthouse. Thanks John M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Geoffrey Hales" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:11 PM Subject: Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test ...preliminaries deleted... COLIN HALES: Yay!.... someone 'got' my little dialogue! The point is that scientists are actually ALL tacit solipsists. The only way a solipsist can exist is to outwardly agree with the massive confabulation they appear to inhabit whilst inwardly maintaining the only 'real truth'. There's no external reality...It's not real!...so being duplicitous is OK. But to go on being a tacit solipsist affirmed by inaction: not admitting consciouness itself of actually caused by something...is equivalent to an inward belief of Bishop Berkeley-esque magical intervention on a massive scale without actually realising it. The whole delusion is maintained by a belief in an 'objective-view' that makes it seem like we're directly accessing an external world when we are not - it's all mediated by MIND, which we deny by not admitting it to be evidence of anything.... and around we go.... the whole picture is self consistent and inherently deluded and ultimately not honest. This is the state of science.... the last 2 paragraphs of the latest version of my little monologue are as follows: where: CASE (a) world: Virtual solipsist world. In this world I accept my mind as conclusive proof supporting continued fervent adherence to the belief in a magical fabricator. CASE (b) world: In this world I let a real external world be responsible for all phenomenal mirrors. Concsiousness is held as proof of a separately described underlying natural world, totally compatible with normally traditional empirical science of appearances _within_ consciousness. ============================ "If I am right to be a solipsist scientist I live in the universe of the magical fabricator, forced to play a pretend life ‘as-if’ there is a real external world with fictitious scientific colleagues, all doing the same thing. What is the reality of my life as a scientist telling me? I look around myself and what do I see universal evidence of? The world I actually live in is world (a). This evidence acts in support of my solipsism. No scientist anywhere has, for any reason other than accidentally, ever looked at systems producing worlds with scientists in them complete with minds inside it, built of it. The world I actually live in is the world of the 'as-if' ficticious objective view where scientist believe without justification that they are literally describing the natural world, and not how it appears to them. Indeed when someone tries to describe an underlying world they the scientific world snaps back, declares the attempt irrelevant, empirically unsupportable and therefore unscientific metaphysics....consistent with an implicit outward methodological denial of mind. But if I am wrong to be a solipsist, then the evidence paints a very odd picture of science. In this bizarre world, ‘objective’ scientists outwardly all act ‘as-if’ an external world exists yet scientists are actually virtual solipsists outwardly acting ‘as-if’ there is no such thing as mind whilst being totally reliant on their mind to do science and also unaware that is the case. And, like me, being in methodological denial of their own mind, are tacitly affirming belief in a magical fabricator through a cultural omission of paying due attention to reviewing their own scientific evidence system. Scientists in this world will go on forever correlating appearances within their denied phenomenal mirrors and never get to do science on phenomenal mirrors. Which one to choose? Perhaps I’ll stay where the fictitious money is… in the land of the virtual magical fabricator…and keep quiet." ====================== I'm done with yet another paper. This ..place... I have reached in depicting science I have reached from so many different perspectives now it's almost mundane ... So many I don't know where to submit them any more!... .....each different approach results in the same basic conclusion.... science is structurally flawed and never questions itself - there's never any science done on science - since when did we earn the right to be one corner of the natural world immune from scientific method? Is this a club or a professional discipline? The current state of science - complete failure to solve the physics of phenomenal consciousness - is a scientific prediction of the state of science with the current virtual-solipsistic belief stystem. - that is what science done on science tells you. We scientists are the evidence....(except me, of course... I dissent!!! Long and hard!!!) cheers colin hales --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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