Colin,
You have described a way in which our perception may be more than can be explained by the sense data. However, how does this explain the response to novelty? I can come up with a plan or theory to deal with a novel situation if it is simply described to me. I don't have to actually perceive anything. Writers, philosophers, mathematicians can all be creative without perceiving anything. Stathis Papaioannou ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:54:05 +1100 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: computer pain > To: [email protected] > > > Stathis said: > <snip> > > If you present an object with "identical sensory measurements" but get > different results in the chip, then that means what you took as "sensory > measurements" was incomplete. For example, blind people might be able to > sense the presense of someone who silently walks into the room due to > their body heat, or the breeze created by their breathing, or perhaps > even > > some proximity sensor that we have not as yet discovered. > > > > But even supposing that perception involves some non-local > > interaction (which would of course be an amazing finding > > on its own, regardless of the > > implications for consciousness), much interesting scientific > > work has nothing to do with the scientist's direct > > connection with his object of study. A > > scientist can read about empirical data collected > > by someone on the other side of the world and come > > up with a theory to explain it; for all he knows, the data > > is completely fabricated, but this makes no difference > > to the cognitive processes > > which result in the theory. > > > > Stathis Papaioannou > > RE: "Incomplete" sensing > > Sorry, Stathis, but no amount of sensory feeds would ever make it > 'complete'. The sensory data is fundamentally ambiguous statistic of it's > original source. That argumant won't do it. The question is: what physical > processes cause the brain's field structure to settle on a particular > solution. That constraint is NOT in the sensory data. > > Yes it will be an amazing result to everyone else. but me. I find it > amazing that eveyone thinks it could be anything else or that somehow the > incomplete laws derived using appearances can explain the appearance > generation system. It's like saying the correltated contents of the image > in a mirror somehow fathom the reflective surface of the mirror that > generated the appearances. > > RE: Science > I know accurate science requires certain behavioural normatives. Effective > science has skill sets, individual characteristics of the temperament and > genetic propensities of individual scientists. I know it has a social > aspect. All this is true but irrelevant. > > From one of the metascience gurus: > > "Science is not done by logically omniscient lone knowers but by > biological systems with certain kinds of capacities and limitations. At > the most fine grained level, scientific change involves modifications of > the cognitive states of limited biological systems". > Philip Kitcher, 1993 > "The advancement of science : science without legend, objectivity without > illusions" > > It's going to be fun watching the macro-scale electric field change in > response to different objects when the sensory measurement is demonstrably > the same. The only reason we can;t do it in brain materia is we can't get > at it without buggering it up with probes and other junk related to the > measurement. Our imaging techniques measure the wrong things. > > It'll light up a light when the subjective experience changes. We can wire > it up like that. That will be a spooky day. I have to leave now. Merry > XMAS and 2007 all you everything folk... > > cheers > > colin > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
