Tom Caylor wrote:
This looks like Tarski's trick to me.  It is an act of faith any time
we take what we say as truth.
On 12/24/06, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"When I take what I say to be true based on evidence it is not a matter of
faith"
JM:
it is based on your faith in your evidence and its truth. A religious person
accepts  as evidence "God said so" - of course it is based on HIS faith, and
so are physicists evidencing by collapse of wave function, .by calculations
on the inflation after the BB, and other kind of  'scientists' (believing)
in the tenets of their (today's) science, just as (in Ptolemy-time) on the
flatness of the Earth.

Tom Caylor wrote:
This is unsupported without an ultimate
Person who gives the ultimate source of bringing truth into existence
through words.
BM:
"This is pure magic mongering - as though some special "ultimate" person can
bring something into existence by words."
JM:
Unless you have 'faith' in that "ultimate person"<G> - I take Brent's side
here.
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BM:
Critics of reductionism ignore the contrary process of synthesis.  Physics
does not *just* reduce things to atoms, it also shows how things are
synthesized from atoms and their relations.
JM:
"relations" is a big word (Do you have a good meaning for it?) IMO it
includes the impredicative - non computable interrelatedness of the totality
we cannot include into our limited reductionist  models. Nor can "physics"
consider all of it in a 'synthetic' opposite. I consider Stathis's words on
his "chemistry" as his domain-concept of relations between people etc.,
otherwise I would have argued (on my turf) about chemistry's "occurrence" vs
our figment how to depict and explain into patterns (even drawn into 2D
formulation upon the atomic illusions in chem. science) the figment we have
about certain primitively observed phenomena. All in the sense of "physical"
edifice-evidence we have ""FAITH"" in.
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BM:
....

Brent Meeker

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JM:
John Mikes





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