John Mikes wrote:

On 12/25/06, *Brent Meeker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

     > JM:
     > Are you sure there is NO [unlimited] impredicative - non
     > (Turing-emulable),  all encompassing  interrelatedness? (which I
    did not
     > call a "whole")

Sorry. You called it a "totality".

Thanx, makes a difference. I consider a "whole" identified (maybe it is my feeble English). Is it an essential point:

     > and which sure is not 'the whole' with 'everything
     > included into its boundaries', eo ipso NOT a "whole".

    No I am empathically *not* sure - but I agree with Darwin who wrote,
    "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it
    is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so
    positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by
          --- Charles Darwin, The Ascent of Man

     > The separately quoted 2nd part of my sentence points to my doubt
     > "physics" (or any other 'science', for that matter) whether they are
     > capable in a 'synthetic' effort to encompass ALL interrelations
    into a
     > buildup step when many of them still may be undiscovered?. A
     > reductionist 'synthesis' works on the available inventory and
    ends up
     > with an "Aris-Total"-like incompleteness (i.e. that the 'total'
    is more
     > than the 'sum' of the parts.). Just as a reductionist analysis is
     > inventory-related and so incomplete.

    It is only your opinion that the inventory is *necessarily* incomplete.

Is it? try to compare our (cognitive etc.) inventories of 3000BC, 1000AD, 1006AD, and tell me which year did we reach omniscience?

Did I claim that we had reached a complete inventory??  Tell me in which year 
did our knowledge cease to increase?

Until 1859 we couldn't explain the origin of species.  Should Darwin have 
concluded that the problem was insoluble?  Does the fact that we don't now know 
everything prove that there are things we will never know?  Does the fact that  
a reductionist analysis is incomplete imply that a wholistic theory is correct?

Brent Meeker

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