Stathis:
You, of all people, should realize that one belief system cannot reach over
to
another one. Logic - mindset is different, "facts" come in different shades,
"evidence" is
adjusted to the 'system', a belief system is a whole world.
Brent makes the same mistake: to argue from his 'scientific' (is it really -
in the
conventional old sense???) mindset with statements of the faithful, but it
is a
geerally committed error - while you, a learned mind-scientist should know
better.
I am not on top of this myself: I fall frequently into arguing from my
'rational'
worldview into the (rational for them) faith-induced mentality.

We are the (negligible) minority. "They" have less doubts than us.

So I thank [EMAIL PROTECTED] (whoever he or she may be) for the
valuable intofmation about the Muslim culture and take it as that.
We will never get a jihadic self-sacrificer to accept that his expectation
of the
huris waitnig for pleasuring him 'over there' is unfounded. It is for him
and who
cares (in my view) for 'happenings' of our present (human) copmplexity after
it
dissolved (call it death) into disintegration?

A year ago or so Wei Dai put an end to religious discussions on the list.
That was in the Judeochristian domain. He was right on the button.
Is the Judeochrismuslim argumental domain different?
Such discussions cannot be resolved into any agreement of the 2 poles.

Anybody arguing  - MY - point?

John Mikes

On 2/26/07, Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But how do you know that the Qu'ran is actually the word of God? People
> claim all sorts of things, and while it's often easy to prove that they
> *claimed* these things (although as you rightly point out, with many
> religions, such as Christianity, even this is not a given), the point is to
> prove that these things are *true*. The more incredible-sounding, the more
> proof is needed. If I tell you I had a conversation with my mother last
> night you would probably have no reason to demand proof, but if I tell you I
> had a conversation with God or aliens or Elvis Presley, then you'd be
> foolish to just accept it, even if it can be shown that I genuinely believe
> what I am claiming.
>
> Stathis Papaioannou
>
>
> On 2/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > Skip text
> >
> >

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