On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 03:50:09PM +1000, Colin Hales wrote: > > Hi Russel, > > > I don't see that you've made your point. > > If you achieve this, you have created an artificial > > creative process, a sort of holy grail of AI/ALife. > > Well? So what? Somebody has to do it. :-) > > The 'holy grail' terminology implies (subtext) that the creative process > is some sort of magical unapproachable topic or is the exclusive domain of > discipline X and that is not me.... beliefs I can't really buy into. I > don't need anyone's permission to do what I do. >
I never implied that. I'm surprised you inferred it. Holy grail just means something everyone (in that field) is chasing after, so far unsuccessfully. If you figure out a way to do it, good for you! Someone will do it one day, I believe, otherwise I wouldn't be in the game either. But the problem is damned subtle. > > > However, it seems far from obvious that consciousness should > > be necessary. > > It is perfectly obvious! Do a scientific experiment on yourself. Close > your eyes and then tell me you can do science as well. Qualia gone = > Science GONE. For crying out loud - am I the only only that gets > this?......Any other position that purports to be able to deliver anything > like the functionality of a scientist without involving ALL the > functionality (especially qualia) of a scientist must be based on > assumptions - assumptions I do not make. > I gave a counter example, that of biological evolution. Either you should demonstrate why you think biological evolution is uncreative, or why it is conscious. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Mathematics UNSW SYDNEY 2052 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Australia http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
