On 28/03/2009, at 4:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

>> Some hallucinogens go even further than this, and introduce an  
>> element
>> of amnesia for semantic and episodic memories, such that users report
>> the experience of "forgetting that I had taken a drug, that I was
>> human,
>> or even what being human meant."  Five to twenty minutes later they
>> return to baseline and report feeling completely "normal" again.
>> Frankly, what astonishes me, is that these altered states even exist
>> at
>> all.  It would be reasonable to think that "disrupting" the physical
>> processes which give rise to consciousness would merely cause it to
>> fail; i.e., cause a loss of consciousness.  Instead, in some cases,  
>> we
>> have these fully immersive experiences with recurring, consistent
>> themes, well structured, with content of unknown origin, and a lack  
>> of
>> any relationship to sensory data streaming into the brain from the
>> "outside."
>> Yeah, I think their might be something worth investigating here.

There is definitely something worth investigating here. I'll volunteer  
for any consciousness altering experiments you want to run.
> I think so. What is really fascinating is the similarity and
> differences between reports by different people, from different
> traditions. This gives some credit to Jung's idea of collective
> unconscious and archetypes (despite a lot of misuses of those ideas in
> the literature).

Ahhhh Jung

Between the age of 16 and 24 I sat in libraries and read his collected  
works. One of my other intellectual heroes. I don't care if he didn't  
write it but his autobiography "Memories Dreams and Reflections" is  
the best place for anyone who wanted to start with Jung. I started  
with "The Archetypes of the Collective Unconscious" and in my spare  
time listened to Wagner's Ring Cycle.

Jung was at his most creative, of course in "Synchronicity: an Acausal  
Connecting Principle" where he tries to show that the human mind or  
consciousness is able to register a type of information in random  
events that is somehow not coincidental. You have to take strongly on  
board that he was the son of a theologian and was into table turning  
and the paranormal. He has had profound penetration in the arts, as of  
course, did Freud. Just the same, Wolfgang Pauli (exclusion principle)  
helped him crunch the numbers in the Synchronicity study. It got into  
pop culture and is a word that everybody has heard but few understand  
was an attempt to scientifically prove the existence of an organising  
principle in Nature that in later years he felt could only be the  
"will of God". He never heard of MWI but leapt on the Copenhagen  
Interpretation as evidence for "the universe knew we were coming" in  
the wave collapse theory.

Sorry - I just had to throw all that in there...

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