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From: "Flammarion" <peterdjo...@yahoo.com>
To: "Everything List" <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology





On 17 Sep, 14:12, "m.a." <marty...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Flammarion" <peterdjo...@yahoo.com>
> To: "Everything List" <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology
>
> > On 16 Sep, 21:42, "m.a." <marty...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Flammarion" <peterdjo...@yahoo.com>
> >> To: "Everything List" <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:25 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology
>
> >> > On 16 Sep, 15:51, "m.a." <marty...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >> the ocean of virtual particles which may give
> >> >> rise to all "real" particles exists somewhere between matter and
> >> >> thought.
>
> >> > I see no reason to believe that.
>
> >> I would be most interested in your view of vacuum fluctuations of 
> >> virtual
> >> particles.
>
> > Why would they differ from what he WP article says?
>
> Brent Meeker's interpretation of the WP article seems to agree with my
> description.


that virtual particles might not exist, does not establish that
there is some immaterial thing that does exist.

If they don't exist, how can they produce real particles? Or are you saying 
that those particles themselves might not exist? Are you following Bruno's 
idea that the world is immaterial (in the conventional sense) because it is 
composed of numbers?



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