----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Meeker" <meeke...@dslextreme.com> To: <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology
> > m.a. wrote: >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Flammarion" <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> >>>>> To: "Everything List" <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:25 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology >>>>> >>>>>> On 16 Sep, 15:51, "m.a." <marty...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> the ocean of virtual particles which may give >>>>>>> rise to all "real" particles exists somewhere between matter and >>>>>>> thought. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I see no reason to believe that. >>>>>> >>>>> I would be most interested in your view of vacuum fluctuations of >>>>> virtual >>>>> particles. >>>>> >>>> Why would they differ from what he WP article says? >>>> >>> Brent Meeker's interpretation of the WP article seems to agree with my >>> description.that virtual particles might not exist, does not establish >>> that >> there is some immaterial thing that does exist. If they don't exist, how >> can they produce real particles? > Who said virtual particles produce real particles. They are > computational terms in perturbation expansions. Whether vacuum > fluctuations exist is less clear, but all theories point to the total > energy of the universe being zero, the positive energy of matter being > just balanced by the negative potential energy of gravity - which would > imply that particles and the rest of the universe can come out of nothing. > > Brent Brent, I apologize for misrepresenting your position but I don't see where it undermines mine. I said that virtual particles exist between matter and thought. You say they are "computational terms" and the rest of the universe came out of nothing. Perhaps I should just have said that they are pure thought...as are computational terms. No? marty a. >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---