On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 00:13, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>wrote:
> On 9/13/2011 11:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Sep 2011, at 22:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > To say that complex things can result from very simple rules is true > enough, but it's circular reasoning that distracts from the relevant > questions: What are 'rules' and where do they come from? > > 1. Anything more than "Nothingness" requires explanation of its own existence.[1] 2. Very simple programs can be Universal Turing Machines. An example of one: [2] => One of the very simple programs must have somehow originated from Nothingness. But How? [3] [1] Roger Ellman, "How and Why the Universe Began") http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/9904/9904054.pdf) [2] Alex Smith, "Universality of Wolfram’s 2, 3 Turing Machine" ( http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/TM23Proof.pdf) [3] Stephen Anastasi "On first cause" ( http://cosmogonycentral.blogspot.com/2007/06/on-first-cause.html) > > You are the one assuming some physical reality. But mechanism can > explains where such physical rules come from. They are consequences of > addition and multiplication. More exactly, their *appearances* for the > average universal machine are consequences of 0, +, and *. > > > > Dear Bruno, > > Could you give us a sketch of exactly how 'physical rules' or the > appearance thereof are the "consequences of 0, + and *"? I think that there > is more to the explanation than the fact that 0, + and * exist.... This is > the part of your work that I still do not understand. > > > Onward! > > Stephen > > > > How are they > enforced? Why would there be a difference between simple and complex > to begin with and what makes one lead to the other but not the other > way around? > > > > > They are all statically, but logically related. > > Also, why do you make that argument, given that you seem to take for > granted electromagnetism, that is Maxwell laws? > > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- Mindaugas Indriūnas E-mail: min...@gmail.com Personal homepage: http://mindey.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
