On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Jan 19, 4:56 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes. Craig argue that machine cannot thinks by pointing on its fridge.
> >
> >
> > > Are you afraid to burn coal in your stove out of concern that the
> > > material will sense being burned?
> >
> > Yes. Craig's "theory" is a bit frightening with respect of this. But
> > of course that is not an argument. Craig might accuse you of wishful
> > thinking.
> >
>
> This is the same thing you accuse me of. I have never said that coal
> is more alive than silicon, I don't even say that dead organisms are
> more alive than silicon. I only say that to really act *exactly* like
> a living thing, you need to feel like a living thing, and to feel like
> a living thing you actually be a living organism, which seems to
> entail cells made of carbohydrates, amino acids, and water. Carbon,
> Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen. Not Silicon or Germanium. Make a
> computer out of carbs, aminos, and water and see what happens to your
> ability to control it as a Turing machine.
>
>

Some have argued that cars are alive.  They evolve, consume, move,
reproduce and so on.  While they are dependent on humans for reproduction,
we too depend on a a very specific environment to reproduce.  Much like
viruses.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lee_cronin_making_matter_come_alive.html

Jason

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