On 05.05.2012 18:08 meekerdb said the following:
On 5/4/2012 11:59 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 04.05.2012 23:45 meekerdb said the following:
On 5/4/2012 2:18 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I'm not saying that science and religion are on an equal footing, but
I think it's a just-so-story to account for it by assuming that
religion must be easier to master and therefore more attractive.
Who has mastered religion? Are there any 'laws of religion' and
theorems, any experimental results (well a few which tend to show
religion is imaginary). Is the Pope an exemplar of clear thinking and
I have already mentioned about Colligwood. He starts with a statement
that God exists and analyses what are hidden assumptions (absolute
presuppositions) that makes sense for such a statement. Then he
considers a statement that there are physical laws and again he
analyses what are hidden assumptions (absolute presuppositions). His
conclusion was that the absolute presuppositions in both cases are
quite close to each other.
I have ordered his book and when I read it, I could report more on
this subject. Right now some findings are here
One needs to consider what it would mean for the contrary to be true.
What would it mean for the universe to NOT be mathematical? Would it
mean events are self contradictory? Yet that is exactly what has
happened if QM in it's MW interpretation is true. Yet we have
accommodated it in a rational mathematical description that includes
randomness. Aristotle, and many later thinkers, would have denied QM as
impossible by pure reason. When faced with contradictions scientists
change their descriptions.
I do not think that quantum mechanics changes something in this respect.
I should say that I have just heard this in the lectures by Prof Hoenen,
but I try to express briefly my current understanding.
So first if to look at different societies, modern science has started
in Christian Europe. Not by Arabs, although a lot of knowledge went into
Europe through them. Not in China. Why?
According to Collingwood (as Prof Hoenen has told) one can find a reason
in Christianity. First, it is monotheism and this is quite important to
infer inexorable scientific laws. Second trinity. For example Islam is
also based on monotheism but it does not have trinity.
I should say that I am bad with trinity (I have to learn more about it
yet) so I will just repeat what I have heard. Science needs a belief in
the inexorable scientific laws but also another belief is important,
that is, we are able to learn the scientific laws (the intelligibility
of the world). The neuron spikes not only obey physics but then can also
comprehend it. Somehow the trinity brings us the intelligibility of the
world (and hence may help us to understand the trick that allows the
neurons to comprehend physics).
Hence my decision to read Collingwood by myself and to think it over.
The difference with Bruno is that Collingwood referred to such a study
as metaphysics and not theology.
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