Nothing does not exist...
Richard

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:06 PM, R AM <ramra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some thoughts about "nothing":
>
> - If nothing has no properties, and a limitation is considered a property,
> then "nothing" cannot have any limitations, including the limitation of
> generating "something". Therefore, "something" may come from "nothing".
>
> - Given that something exists, it is possible that something exists
> (obviously). The later would be true even if "nothing" was the case.
> Therefore, we should envision the state of "nothing" co-existing with the
> possibility of "something" existing, which is rather bizarre.
>
> - Why should "nothing" be the default state? I think this is based on the
> intuition that "nothing" would require no explanation, whereas "something"
> requires an explanation. However, given that the possibility of something
> existing is necessarily true, an explanation would be required for why
> there is "nothing" instead of "something".
>
> - There are many ways something can exist, but just one of nothing
> existing. Therefore, "nothing" is less likely :-)
>
> - I think the intuition that "nothing" requires less explanation than the
> universe we observe is based on a generalization of the idea of classical
> empty space. However, this intuition is based on what we know about *this*
> universe (i.e. empty space is simpler than things existing in it). But why
> this intuition about *our* reality should be extrapolated to metaphysics?
>
> - I think that the important question is why this universe instead of any
> other universe? (including "nothing").
>
> Ricardo.
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:24 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 5, 2012  John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Is it so hard to understand a "word"?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, the word "nothing" keeps evolving. Until about a hundred years ago
>> "nothing" just meant a vacuum, space empty of any matter; then a few years
>> later the meaning was expanded to include lacking any energy too, then
>> still later it meant also not having space, and then it meant not even
>> having time. Something that is lacking matter energy time and space may not
>> be the purest form of nothing but it is, you must admit, a pretty pitiful
>> "thing", and if science can explain (and someday it very well may be able
>> to) how our world with all it's beautiful complexity came to be from such
>> modest beginnings then that would not be a bad days work, and to call such
>> activities "incredibly shallow" as some on this list have is just idiotic.
>>
>>
>>
>>> *>** N O T H I N G  -  *is not a set of anything, no potential
>>>
>>
>> Then the question "can something come from nothing?" has a obvious and
>> extremely dull answer.
>>
>> > I wrote once a little silly 'ode' about ontology. I started:
>>>      "In the beginning there was Nothingness.
>>>      And when Nothingness realised it's nothingness
>>>      It turned into Somethingness
>>>
>>
>> Then your version of nothing had something, the potential to produce
>> something. I also note the use of the word "when", thus time, which is
>> something, existed in your "nothing" universe as well as potential.
>>
>>   John K Clark
>>
>>
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