Nothing does not exist... Richard On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:06 PM, R AM <[email protected]> wrote:
> Some thoughts about "nothing": > > - If nothing has no properties, and a limitation is considered a property, > then "nothing" cannot have any limitations, including the limitation of > generating "something". Therefore, "something" may come from "nothing". > > - Given that something exists, it is possible that something exists > (obviously). The later would be true even if "nothing" was the case. > Therefore, we should envision the state of "nothing" co-existing with the > possibility of "something" existing, which is rather bizarre. > > - Why should "nothing" be the default state? I think this is based on the > intuition that "nothing" would require no explanation, whereas "something" > requires an explanation. However, given that the possibility of something > existing is necessarily true, an explanation would be required for why > there is "nothing" instead of "something". > > - There are many ways something can exist, but just one of nothing > existing. Therefore, "nothing" is less likely :-) > > - I think the intuition that "nothing" requires less explanation than the > universe we observe is based on a generalization of the idea of classical > empty space. However, this intuition is based on what we know about *this* > universe (i.e. empty space is simpler than things existing in it). But why > this intuition about *our* reality should be extrapolated to metaphysics? > > - I think that the important question is why this universe instead of any > other universe? (including "nothing"). > > Ricardo. > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:24 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sat, May 5, 2012 John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Is it so hard to understand a "word"? >>> >> >> Yes, the word "nothing" keeps evolving. Until about a hundred years ago >> "nothing" just meant a vacuum, space empty of any matter; then a few years >> later the meaning was expanded to include lacking any energy too, then >> still later it meant also not having space, and then it meant not even >> having time. Something that is lacking matter energy time and space may not >> be the purest form of nothing but it is, you must admit, a pretty pitiful >> "thing", and if science can explain (and someday it very well may be able >> to) how our world with all it's beautiful complexity came to be from such >> modest beginnings then that would not be a bad days work, and to call such >> activities "incredibly shallow" as some on this list have is just idiotic. >> >> >> >>> *>** N O T H I N G - *is not a set of anything, no potential >>> >> >> Then the question "can something come from nothing?" has a obvious and >> extremely dull answer. >> >> > I wrote once a little silly 'ode' about ontology. I started: >>> "In the beginning there was Nothingness. >>> And when Nothingness realised it's nothingness >>> It turned into Somethingness >>> >> >> Then your version of nothing had something, the potential to produce >> something. I also note the use of the word "when", thus time, which is >> something, existed in your "nothing" universe as well as potential. >> >> John K Clark >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
