On 06.05.2012 22:06 meekerdb said the following:
On 5/6/2012 10:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 05.05.2012 23:34 meekerdb said the following:
I would agree with that. Rome fell for other, more material reasons. But
its fall created a power vacuum which was filled by organized
Christianity and Christianity like any dogmatic religion is in conflict
with the skeptical, inquiring, testing nature of science. When the
reformation broke the intellectual monopoly of the Church, science
flowered and for a time it was regarded as an adjunct to theology:
discovering the creator through nature. But that only lasted up till
I am afraid that the conflict between Christianity and science that
you describe is not consistent with historical facts. According to
Prof Hoenen, who is an expert on Middle Age, science and theology has
been developed rather like a brother and a sister.
More like a master and slave - until the slaves revolted. Honen is a
professor of philosophy and theology who specializes in commenting on
theologians of the middle ages: Marilius, Boethius, and Albert Magnus.
Although Bruno (not Marchal) was burned at the stake and Galileo was put
under house arrest, science was allowed as a servant of the church up
until the Victorian era. Newton, Boyle, Tyndall, Descarte, Laplace,
Kepler,...none of them were from the universities, which were dominated
by theology. And the real break came with Darwin. To say they developed
like brother and sister is to suppose theology developed. While science
has advance enormously in scope and accuracy, theologians now do no
better than in the 13th century.
For science to be started in a sense that you have mentioned, the
society should reach a certain limit of development. I am afraid that
you forget about this simple fact. Science in the middle ages has
started from logic, grammatic, etc. Without this there would be no
science that you mean.
Again, the science has developed in the Christian Europe. This could be
coincidence but one cannot exclude that this was destiny. You are
talking about skeptical inquiry but you do not want to apply it for all
questions. I am afraid that you take some answers just from ideological
considerations, not from historical research.
The favorite authors of Prof Hoenen are Anselm of Canterbury and Thomas
von Aquin. I like a lot On Truth by Anselm of Canterbury. Prof Hoenen
has demonstrated nicely that his work influenced many thinkers in the
West a lot that pondered on what is truth.
Right now I listen to Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch. The book
is not bad but the style is just terrible: "I know the truth because
this truth (that I know) is objective." Anselm and Thomas in this
respect were more clever.
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