On 8/2/2012 12:18 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Ronald,
I have a severe problem with this entire thread!
What exactly determines the particular properties, such as charge, angular momentum,
mass, etc., of this universe?
They are conserved quantities, so if they are zero now it follows that they were zero at
the origin, which suggests the universe came from nothing.
Why are we assuming that the choice of what went into the zero net sum is a prior
definite and constrained. The question of the universe here is not so simple that it can
be represented the same way that we can note that 1 - 1 = 0. Even in arithmetic model,
we have to offer within our explanations what where the summands
<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/summands#English> that let to the sum of net zero. For
example, 5 - 5 = 0, 4 - 4 = 0, etc. x - x = 0. What is x? We cannot assume without
discussion what is x!
Sure we can. That's the advantage of mathematics, x-x=0 regardless of what
number is x.
It seems to me that this entire thread is infected with post hoc ergo propter hoc
reasoning and we should reconsider exactly what is being contemplated. I suggest reading
of a good book on Cosmology, such as "Principles of Physical Cosmology" by Phillip James
Edwin Peebles
<http://books.google.com/books/about/Principles_of_Physical_Cosmology.html?id=AmlEt6TJ6jAC>,
where one finds a very nice discussion of these issues of without the nonsense of
logical fallacies.
There's no logical fallacy in noting that a universe that came from nothing should have
zero net energy and other conserved quantities.
Peebles book is pretty old, so it's not going to include knowledge of the CMB from WMAP
and COBE or the discovery that the expansion of the universe is accelerating or the
holographic principle. I'd recommend Vic Stenger's "The Comprehensible Cosmos", Sean
Carroll's "From Eternity to Here", or Alex Vilenkin's "Many Worlds in One".
Brent
On 8/2/2012 2:49 PM, ronaldheld wrote:
If this universe has zero net energy charge and angular momemtum, I see no
problem being created via a chaotic inflation scenario.
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Onward!
Stephen
"Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed."
~ Francis Bacon
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