Thanks for the very interesting video.
Concerning Platonia and Contingia, there are much to say if we introduce
natural selection, the only well know creative process.
The world of Platonia, in terms of natural selection, is the peak of the
"fitness landscape" (FT). The FT is the point of perfection from which the
living form, or the living behaviour can not be improved. Contingia is
the world of extinction by random, imprevisible events. When contingia
enters,the most filnely adapted beings perish due to their specialization,
and gives the world to generalists, good in nothing, bacterias, fungi and
" adapted of fortune" that casually are adapted to the disaster scenario:
scavengers, tunnel diggers, shallow water habitants etc. None of them are
beatiful. But extinction gives a opportunity to new perfect forms that are
better than the former. If there would be no extinction, we would still be
This creative destruction appears also in the market, (That is a controlled
darwinian process under State laws). and in general in any creative process.
The perfect forms inhabit our mind because we have to measure ourselves
against the ideal. Beauty is a measure of closeness to the ideal. I´m
persuaded for example that the beauty of movements of a dancer is related
with the use of energy for a given movement. the less energy the dancer
use, the more beautiful is the movement. And we perceive this use of energy
as smooth and beatiful movement because to mate or to be a friend of a good
user of his energies (by a good neurocoordination) has been crucial for
survial. A good dancer is in the peak of fitness landscape in energy usage,
so he exhibit it. And Platonia in our mind know it.
There are evolutonary explanations for many others notons of beauty.
As Penrose said the motor of this process of evolution and life is the
gradient of entropy. The photosyntesis is a capture of energy that requires
the building of a chemical (and phisical) infrastructure that requires
information processing, from genes to phenotype building programs to
reproduction and so on. And only in a positive gradient of entrophy this
> I would also like to suggest that the pre-established harmony (PEH)
> of Leibniz is more complex but still acts as Leibniz intended,
> while one might apply traditional cosmological concepts to it.
> Perhaps someone with more physics (and brains) than I
> could use this to roughly specify what the PEH is.
> In the traditional understanding it would simply be the
> decay of order into disorder. Note that Penrose has
> looked recently into the issue of how large the entropy
> can get. See the series starting at
> I believe that entropy begins to eventually
> diminish as gravity.
> It may be that comp and the Turing machine have analogous
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> Platonia and Contingia
> We are all somewhat familiar with Platonia,
> the Platonic source of order in the world.
> I suggest that there must also be Contingia,
> that being our contingent, everyday world, which,
> following Boltzmann and the concept of entropy,
> is the source of disorder.
> I would also like to suggest that Platonic causation
> is goal-oriented, also referred to by Aristotle as end causation,
> and favors life, while in Contingia, causation is that of
> everyday determinism, which tends to create disorder,
> entropy, decay and death.
> Then there will always be two opposing forces, one
> of order (Platonia) and one of disorder or entropy (Contingia).
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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