On 9/30/2012 8:43 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Thanks for the very interesting video.

Hi Alberto,

    I agree. Roger Penrose is one of my favorite theorists.

Concerning Platonia and Contingia, there are much to say if we introduce natural selection, the only well know creative process.

The world of Platonia, in terms of natural selection, is the peak of the "fitness landscape" (FT). The FT is the point of perfection from which the living form, or the living behaviour can not be improved. Contingia is the world of extinction by random, imprevisible events. When contingia enters,the most filnely adapted beings perish due to their specialization, and gives the world to generalists, good in nothing, bacterias, fungi and " adapted of fortune" that casually are adapted to the disaster scenario: scavengers, tunnel diggers, shallow water habitants etc. None of them are beatiful. But extinction gives a opportunity to new perfect forms that are better than the former. If there would be no extinction, we would still be bacterias.

A very good point! One of my constant complaints is that the Selection aspect of evolution is grossly neglected in discussions of it.

This creative destruction appears also in the market, (That is a controlled darwinian process under State laws). and in general in any creative process.

Yes, it is the tendency to "select" an outcome from a domain of many possible outcomes. Mathematically, it resembles a many-to-one mapping function. Mutation, in evolutionary models, can be seen mathematically as a one-to-many mapping function. It is interesting to me that these two mapping functions are the inverse or dual of each other. I think that this feature can be used to mathematically model evolution.

The perfect forms inhabit our mind because we have to measure ourselves against the ideal. Beauty is a measure of closeness to the ideal. I´m persuaded for example that the beauty of movements of a dancer is related with the use of energy for a given movement. the less energy the dancer use, the more beautiful is the movement. And we perceive this use of energy as smooth and beatiful movement because to mate or to be a friend of a good user of his energies (by a good neurocoordination) has been crucial for survial. A good dancer is in the peak of fitness landscape in energy usage, so he exhibit it. And Platonia in our mind know it.

There are evolutonary explanations for many others notons of beauty.

As Penrose said the motor of this process of evolution and life is the gradient of entropy. The photosyntesis is a capture of energy that requires the building of a chemical (and phisical) infrastructure that requires information processing, from genes to phenotype building programs to reproduction and so on. And only in a positive gradient of entrophy this processing is possible <http://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slideshare.net%2Fagcorona1%2Farrow-of-time-determined-by-lthe-easier-direction-of-computation-for-life&ei=kz1oUNjjIJCxhAesjIDgAg&usg=AFQjCNGhgf10g4gWWodpK-QwcKptsdCWTw&sig2=LEWaQzY5cTrUV1I8wkA7bQ> for living beings.

It might be that "living being" are, as an equivalence class, all the possible structures that can process gradients of entropy for the purpose of generated their structure.

> I would also like to suggest that the pre-established harmony (PEH)
> of Leibniz is more complex but still acts as Leibniz intended,
> while one might apply traditional cosmological concepts to it.
> Perhaps someone with more physics (and brains) than I
> could use this to roughly specify what the PEH is.
> In the traditional understanding it would simply be the
> decay of order into disorder. Note that Penrose has
> looked recently into the issue of how large the entropy
> can get. See the series starting at
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ-D5AUGVcI
> I believe that entropy begins to eventually
> diminish as gravity.
> It may be that comp and the Turing machine have analogous
> behaviors.




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