On 21 Oct 2012, at 12:52, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Craig Weinberg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle


"...the uncertainty principle is inherent in the properties of all wave-like systems...."

Formally yes, but the meaning of the uncertainty principle is very different according to the fact that a material substance is vibrating, (Classical Mechanics) or an amplitude of probability (Quantum Mechanics).

Bruno





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10/21/2012
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Subject: Re: Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle in Doubt




On Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:19:46 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 10/18/2012 2:16 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
Is anyone here aware of the following?

http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/66654-heisenbergs-uncertainty-principle-in-doubt

Does it have implications for MW interpretations of quantum physics?

I'd love to see comments about this.

Cheers,

Dan
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Hi Dan,

    This article is rubbish. The writer does not understand the
subtleties involved and does not understand that nothing like the tittle
was found to be true.



I agree. I see what they were trying to get at: Measurement can cause uncertainty but not all of the uncertainty. They leave open the question of what does cause the uncertainty - i.e. perhaps the very nature of quantum is uncertain or immeasurable.

The problem of course is in the assumption "we're just going to make a *weak* measurement that won't have an effect on it". Sigh. I'll just stand in the bathroom with you...you won't even know I'm here. You can't fool the fabric of the universe. You can spoof it maybe, but you can't hide from it entirely.

Craig


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Stephen



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