That supports my point: People need geometry, computers don't. A world made by and for computers would not, could not contain any geometric objects. > > >> There is certainly a connection between the patterns of neurons in a >>> composer's brain and the patterns of sound he produces, if Beethoven were >>> given Crack his neurons would fire differently and his symphonies would >>> also be different. >>> >> >> >A correlation among patterns in brain activity and acoustic vibration >> does not imply that vibrations in the air turn into an experience of sound. >> > > There is a test to determine which of our competing claims is true. Lets > monitor a composers brain, say John Williams, and see if Crack makes the > neurons in his brain fire in a atypical manner, if it does let him compose > some music under the influence of Crack. Then we bring in a panel of music > critics and ask them if the new composition is in Williams typical style. > Do you really think they will say it sounds just like the Star Wars theme? > You keep missing your presumption of causality. Try it the other way. Lets use Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation to reproduce these brain pattens you are talking about. If we make John Williams brain activity exactly the same and run it in reverse, will crack smoke come out of his mouth? > > A computer is a collection of switches, >> > > Yes. > > > but it is only a collection in our imagination. >> > > Bullshit. > Bullshit is an ASCII string I don't care to parse...just like a computer can't parse 'itself' as a 'collection' of anything. > > > The switches don't know that they are part of a collection. >> > > Yes, and a neuron in your brain doesn't know it's part of a collection. > Of course it does. It is a living organism surrounded by it's identical twin siblings. That's how the neurons which have access to the image of the fire hydrant can find their way to collaborating with the words 'fire hydrant'. The entire brain is a community of living organisms in constant communication. You don't get that, do you? > > > They don't know there is a computer >> > > And a neuron doesn't know there is a brain. > What makes you pronounce that utterly unsupported edict? > > > Computers are great at doing very boring things very quickly. >> > > That's why people are so bored with computers, boring computers like > Xbox's and iPones and Blu Ray players and iPods. > Computers don't play games, talk on the phone, watch TV or listen to music. Those things are interesting, fun things. Computers redraw thousands of pixels 75 times a second over and over forever. They negotiate telecommunication protocols to transfer messages that they cannot read between people they don't know. You're a smart guy John, how can you not have the foggiest idea how obvious this is? I can only speculate strong hemispheric brain lateralization. I see the left and the right, while you see the right and the wrong. Craig > > "Nyeaaah...What's up Doc?" >> > > ! > > John K Clark > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/C23DTlDTZfUJ. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.