Hi Richard Ruquist 

Yes, as I said, it's just an analogy.


[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/8/2012 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

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Time: 2012-12-08, 07:51:05
Subject: Re: Synchronizing the subprograms


Roger, That sounds to me as though it is something you made up. Richard

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> Perhaps my response to Richard, immediately below,
> would explain better to you why I believe a supreme monad
> (a CPU) is needed.
>
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> Subject: Re: Re: WHOOPS! The Supreme Monad (God) is necessary after all..
>
> Hi Richard Ruquist
>
> That's understandable because of L's terminology.
>
> The individual "perceptions" are continually updated by the supreme monad,
> which is necessary so that all the "perceptions" of all
> of the monads are properly synchronized.
>
> The anology would be that a CPU is needed to synchronize
> all of the operations and data of the subprograms.
>
> Stephen doesn't see such a need.
>
> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> 12/8/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>
>
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> Time: 2012-12-06, 12:32:51
> Subject: Re: WHOOPS! The Supreme Monad (God) is necessary after all..
>
> Roger. How can L's monads be blind if they all have perception as
> clearly expressed in L's Monadology?
> Richard
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> WHOOPS!
>>
>> My "equivalence" or "as if" princple accepting materialism/atheism
>> is wrong for the following reason.
>>
>> The Supreme monad (God) is absolutely needed, because
>> without a supreme monad, the monads are blind and don't work
>> properly. The Supreme Monad has a necessary, irreplaceable function,
>> that of reflecting the perceptions of all of the other monads in
>> the universe back to a given monad that guides his changes.
>>
>> So I have to take back my acceptance of materialism/atheism.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>> 12/6/2012
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>
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>> Receiver: Roger Clough
>> Time: 2012-12-06, 09:12:38
>> Subject: Puppets and strings
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps a simple analogy might make my thinking plainer.
>>
>> L sees the world and its beings as acting like puppets with strings.
>> Atheism/materialism sees the world "as if" there are no strings.
>>
>> A similar analogy applies to religion. It all depends on how
>> you look at the world.
>>
>>
>>
>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>> 12/6/2012
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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>> Time: 2012-12-06, 09:00:01
>> Subject: A truce: if atheism/materialism is an "as if" universe
>>
>>
>> Hi Stephen P. King
>>
>> OK, after thinking it over, it seems there's two ways of thinking
>> about L's metaphysics.
>>
>> 1) (My way) The Idealist way, that being L's metaphysics as is.
>>
>> 2) (Your way) The atheist/materialist way, that being the usual
>> atheist/materialistc view of the universe --- as long as you
>> realize that strictly speaking this is not correct, but the universe
>> acts "as if" there's no God. I have trouble with this view
>> in speaking of "mental space", but I suppose you can
>> consider mental states to exist "as if" they are real.
>> L's metaphysics has no conflicts with the phenomenol
>> world (the physical world you see and that of science),
>> but L would say that strictly speaking, the phenomenol world is
>> not real, only its monadic representation is real.
>>
>> I have not yet worked Bruno's view into this scheme, but
>> a first guess is that Bruno's world is 2).
>>
>>
>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>> 12/6/2012
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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>> Subject: Re: a paper on Leibnizian mathematical ideas
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 1:01 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
>>
>> L's monads have perception.
>> They sense the entire universe.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stephen P. King
>>>
>>>
>>> God isn't artificially inserted into L's metaphysics,
>>> it's a necessary part, because everything else (the monads)
>>> afre blind and passive. Just as necessary as the One is to Plato's
>>> metaphysics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Yes, the monads have an entire universe as its perception. What
>> distinguishes monads from each other is their 'point of view' of a universe.
>> One has to consider the idea of closure for a monad, my conjecture is that
>> the content of perception of a monad must be representable as an complete
>> atomic Boolean algebra.
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Stephen
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