Space and time may be only on the mind in the Kantian sense. I don´t find that space must be independent of the mind. space and time may be the way we perceive a space-time manifold which is pure mathematic and nothing else. Maybe we can see space out there and we can think on geometry in a spatial way (not algebraically) because we have space-mode rasoning on the mind, not because space is pre-existent to the mind neither because space is something in mathematics.
And may be that computation for autopiesis, in the form of natural selection, life and mind are space-time trajectories, which, when looked closely form outside space-time, they are nothing but fortunate caramboles of particles, molecules or electrical signals. 2013/1/11 Roger Clough <[email protected]> > Hi Bruno Marchal > > A life field is similar to Sheldrake's morphisms, > Leibniz's substances or L's monads or L's souls. > > The physical is that which is extended in space. > Dreams, like mind or ideas, are not extended in space, so not physical. > > The rest I agree with you on. > > > [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > 1/11/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Bruno Marchal > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-10, 11:51:49 > Subject: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS. > > > On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:07, Roger Clough wrote: > > > Hi Bruno Marchal > > > > Sheldrake's morphisms might be thought of as life fields. > > What is that supposed to explain? > > > > > > But I don't think fields themselves are physical, rather they are > > monadic, descriptions of physical things. > > I am not sure that I understand what you mean by physical. > > Keep in mind that in the comp theory, the physical is epistemological. > (Unless there is a flaw in UDA, etc.) > > The physical is the content of shared dreams, shared between us with > us = all the L?ian entities (machines and divinities (non machines, > oracles, etc.)). > > We belong to a continuum of matrices, consistent with the overall > arithmetical truth (which appears to be something quite transcendental > with comp). > > This might be false, and my point is only that this is a testable > consequence of comp (and QM rather succeeds well the test up to now). > > Then I illustrate that the computationalist "big picture" is closer to > Plato (and many others, perhaps Descartes, Kant and Leibniz) than to > naturalism, physicalism, or any (weak) materialist doctrine which > reifies matter. > > Bruno > > > > > > > [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > > 1/10/2013 > > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > > From: Bruno Marchal > > Receiver: everything-list > > Time: 2013-01-09, 09:48:03 > > Subject: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS. > > > > > > On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:07, Roger Clough wrote: > > > >> Hi meekerdb > >> > >> Sheldrake's morphisms would be what John Clark or bruno theorized as > >> God. > > > > I don't think so. I have never understood what Sheldrake's morphism > > are, but they seem physical, from what I can understand. > > God is not physical, and by definition, the physical needs God, or > > truth, to exist or make sense. > > > > Bruno > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > >> 1/9/2013 > >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- > >> From: meekerdb > >> Receiver: everything-list > >> Time: 2013-01-08, 13:01:16 > >> Subject: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS. > >> > >> > >> On 1/8/2013 9:14 AM, John Clark wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >> > >>> GOD means the reality in which you believe. > >> > >> Friends, are you tired of your old job, it's time to change your > >> occupation and make big bucks, amaze your friends, be a hit at > >> parties and become a professional pundit on cable news shows! You > >> too can become a liberal theologian by using the patented John Clark > >> method and it only takes 4 simple steps! > >> > >> > >> STEP 1) Find something that everybody believes exists, it doesn't > >> matter what it is. > >> > >> STEP 2) Define the word "God" as meaning that thing whatever it may > >> be. > >> > >> STEP 3) Declare that you have proven the existence of God. > >> > >> STEP 4) There is no step 4 because step 3 leads nowhere. > >> > >> John K Clark > >> > >> > >> Didn't Tillich already copyright that method, John? > >> > >> Brent > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Everything List" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to everything- > >> [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > >> . > >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > >> . > >> > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Everything List" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Everything List" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > > . > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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