Roger, Your presumptions are incorrect. Also your monad definition. I am too old for bare naked. Stop being silly. Richard
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Yes, of course. The monads are mental representations of > physical bodies in the world. You will presumably have for > your physical object some container in L He with a BEC > at the bottom. Physical objects such as rocks produce > "bare naked " monads. Is that what you want ? > > > [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > 1/16/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-16, 09:21:38 > Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism > > > I think its more like applying BEC to Leibniz's monads > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> OK, I was thinking about appying Leibniz to it. >> >> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >> 1/16/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Richard Ruquist >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2013-01-16, 08:59:49 >> Subject: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism >> >> >> Roger, Any kind of particle from photons and light up to molecules can >> form a BEC. BEC is a mathematical object and not confined to any one >> substance. Even physical BECs have properties that are effectively >> outside spacetime. >> Richard >> >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>> >>> That sounds fine, except the BEC is not something specific, it is >>> not a mind or brain, it is matter. I imagine that it condenses in >>> some container held near 0oC. That condensate could be >>> considered to be a monad or substance. And it could of course >>> be conscious in some way, but it has nothing to do with being human. >>> It is not even a brain in a vat. >>> >>> >>> >>> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >>> 1/16/2013 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Richard Ruquist >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2013-01-16, 07:47:52 >>> Subject: Fwd: the curse of materialism >>> >>> >>> Roger, >>> I liked your "1p think therefore 1p am" >>> >>> But your statement below, although correct , is much too vague. >>> >>> Quantum mechanics is not understood because it is not complete. >>> Feynman came close to completing it but still missed an essential property. >>> >>> That property is that the quantum mind has instant action. >>> Something you have been preaching for some time. >>> With instant action, the quantum mind can be understood. >>> >>> Instant action derives directly from your claim that >>> the quantum mind from monads to quantum fields >>> are out side of spacetime. >>> >>> I just add that it is effectively out of spacetime >>> because the quantum mind is a >>> Bose-Einstein Condensate BEC. >>> which allows the monads to be distributed thru-out the universe yet >>> act as though they were out of spacetime. >>> Richard >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Roger Clough >>> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:01 AM >>> Subject: the curse of materialism >>> To: everything-list >>> >>> >>> Hi [email protected] >>> >>> You want to know why nobody understands QM ? >>> Because QM is nonphysical, but is treated as being physical. >>> This might be called the curse of materialism. >>> >>> >>> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >>> 1/16/2013 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> Receiver: Everything List >>> Time: 2013-01-15, 11:20:20 >>> Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. >>> >>> >>> Physics and Metaphysics. >>> >>> John Polkinghorne and his book ? Quantum theory?. >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Polkinghorne >>> === . >>> >>> John Polkinghorne took epigraph for his book ? Quantum theory? >>> the Feynman? thought : ? I think I can safely say that >>> nobody understands quantum mechanics. ? >>> Why? >>> Because, he wrote: >>> ? ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should. >>> We shall see in what follows that important interpretative >>> issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their >>> eventual settlement not only physical insight but also >>> metaphysical decision ?. >>> / preface/ >>> ? Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved, >>> and these are the subject of continuing dispute? >>> / page 40/ >>> ? If the study of quantum physics teaches one anything, >>> it is that the world is full of surprises? >>> / page 87 / >>> ? Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take >>> very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory >>> include: . . . .? >>> / page 88 / >>> ?uantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .? >>> / page92 / >>> ? Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and >>> instructive phenomenon, . .? >>> / page 92 / >>> ==. >>> In my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing >>> what to understand and to solve the problems of the Universe: >>> ? They will demand for their eventual settlement not only >>> physical insight but also metaphysical decision ?. >>> / preface / >>> And, maybe, Aristotle was right separating the world and knowledge >>> on two parts: Physics and Metaphysics. >>> === . >>> Somebody wrote: >>> The science will purify the religion of the ?ross?. >>> I agree. >>> ===========. >>> Best wishes. >>> Israel Sadovnik Socratus. >>> ===. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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