Roger,
Your presumptions are incorrect.
Also your monad definition.
I am too old for bare naked.
Stop being silly.
Richard

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Richard Ruquist
>
> Yes, of course.  The monads are mental representations of
> physical bodies in the world.  You will presumably have for
> your physical object some container in L He with a BEC
> at the bottom.  Physical objects such as rocks produce
> "bare naked " monads. Is that what you want ?
>
>
> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> 1/16/2013
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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>
> I think its more like applying BEC to Leibniz's monads
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Roger Clough  wrote:
>> Hi Richard Ruquist
>>
>> OK, I was thinking about appying Leibniz to it.
>>
>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>> 1/16/2013
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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>>
>> Roger, Any kind of particle from photons and light up to molecules can
>> form a BEC. BEC is a mathematical object and not confined to any one
>> substance. Even physical BECs have properties that are effectively
>> outside spacetime.
>> Richard
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>>> Hi Richard Ruquist
>>>
>>> That sounds fine, except the BEC is not something specific, it is
>>> not a mind or brain, it is matter. I imagine that it condenses in
>>> some container held near 0oC. That condensate could be
>>> considered to be a monad or substance. And it could of course
>>> be conscious in some way, but it has nothing to do with being human.
>>> It is not even a brain in a vat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 1/16/2013
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>>>
>>> Roger,
>>> I liked your "1p think therefore 1p am"
>>>
>>> But your statement below, although correct , is much too vague.
>>>
>>> Quantum mechanics is not understood because it is not complete.
>>> Feynman came close to completing it but still missed an essential property.
>>>
>>> That property is that the quantum mind has instant action.
>>> Something you have been preaching for some time.
>>> With instant action, the quantum mind can be understood.
>>>
>>> Instant action derives directly from your claim that
>>> the quantum mind from monads to quantum fields
>>> are out side of spacetime.
>>>
>>> I just add that it is effectively out of spacetime
>>> because the quantum mind is a
>>> Bose-Einstein Condensate BEC.
>>> which allows the monads to be distributed thru-out the universe yet
>>> act as though they were out of spacetime.
>>> Richard
>>>
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>>> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:01 AM
>>> Subject: the curse of materialism
>>> To: everything-list
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi socra...@bezeqint.net
>>>
>>> You want to know why nobody understands QM ?
>>> Because QM is nonphysical, but is treated as being physical.
>>> This might be called the curse of materialism.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Physics and Metaphysics.
>>>
>>> John Polkinghorne and his book ? Quantum theory?.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Polkinghorne
>>> === .
>>>
>>> John Polkinghorne took epigraph for his book ? Quantum theory?
>>> the Feynman? thought : ? I think I can safely say that
>>> nobody understands quantum mechanics. ?
>>> Why?
>>> Because, he wrote:
>>> ? ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should.
>>> We shall see in what follows that important interpretative
>>> issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their
>>> eventual settlement not only physical insight but also
>>> metaphysical decision ?.
>>> / preface/
>>> ? Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved,
>>> and these are the subject of continuing dispute?
>>> / page 40/
>>> ? If the study of quantum physics teaches one anything,
>>> it is that the world is full of surprises?
>>> / page 87 /
>>> ? Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take
>>> very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory
>>> include: . . . .?
>>> / page 88 /
>>> ?uantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .?
>>> / page92 /
>>> ? Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and
>>> instructive phenomenon, . .?
>>> / page 92 /
>>> ==.
>>> In my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing
>>> what to understand and to solve the problems of the Universe:
>>> ? They will demand for their eventual settlement not only
>>> physical insight but also metaphysical decision ?.
>>> / preface /
>>> And, maybe, Aristotle was right separating the world and knowledge
>>> on two parts: Physics and Metaphysics.
>>> === .
>>> Somebody wrote:
>>> The science will purify the religion of the ?ross?.
>>> I agree.
>>> ===========.
>>> Best wishes.
>>> Israel Sadovnik Socratus.
>>> ===.
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