I think its more like applying BEC to Leibniz's monads On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > OK, I was thinking about appying Leibniz to it. > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/16/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-16, 08:59:49 > Subject: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism > > > Roger, Any kind of particle from photons and light up to molecules can > form a BEC. BEC is a mathematical object and not confined to any one > substance. Even physical BECs have properties that are effectively > outside spacetime. > Richard > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> That sounds fine, except the BEC is not something specific, it is >> not a mind or brain, it is matter. I imagine that it condenses in >> some container held near 0oC. That condensate could be >> considered to be a monad or substance. And it could of course >> be conscious in some way, but it has nothing to do with being human. >> It is not even a brain in a vat. >> >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> 1/16/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Richard Ruquist >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2013-01-16, 07:47:52 >> Subject: Fwd: the curse of materialism >> >> >> Roger, >> I liked your "1p think therefore 1p am" >> >> But your statement below, although correct , is much too vague. >> >> Quantum mechanics is not understood because it is not complete. >> Feynman came close to completing it but still missed an essential property. >> >> That property is that the quantum mind has instant action. >> Something you have been preaching for some time. >> With instant action, the quantum mind can be understood. >> >> Instant action derives directly from your claim that >> the quantum mind from monads to quantum fields >> are out side of spacetime. >> >> I just add that it is effectively out of spacetime >> because the quantum mind is a >> Bose-Einstein Condensate BEC. >> which allows the monads to be distributed thru-out the universe yet >> act as though they were out of spacetime. >> Richard >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Roger Clough >> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:01 AM >> Subject: the curse of materialism >> To: everything-list >> >> >> Hi socra...@bezeqint.net >> >> You want to know why nobody understands QM ? >> Because QM is nonphysical, but is treated as being physical. >> This might be called the curse of materialism. >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> 1/16/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: socra...@bezeqint.net >> Receiver: Everything List >> Time: 2013-01-15, 11:20:20 >> Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. >> >> >> Physics and Metaphysics. >> >> John Polkinghorne and his book ? Quantum theory?. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Polkinghorne >> === . >> >> John Polkinghorne took epigraph for his book ? Quantum theory? >> the Feynman? thought : ? I think I can safely say that >> nobody understands quantum mechanics. ? >> Why? >> Because, he wrote: >> ? ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should. >> We shall see in what follows that important interpretative >> issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their >> eventual settlement not only physical insight but also >> metaphysical decision ?. >> / preface/ >> ? Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved, >> and these are the subject of continuing dispute? >> / page 40/ >> ? If the study of quantum physics teaches one anything, >> it is that the world is full of surprises? >> / page 87 / >> ? Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take >> very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory >> include: . . . .? >> / page 88 / >> ?uantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .? >> / page92 / >> ? Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and >> instructive phenomenon, . .? >> / page 92 / >> ==. >> In my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing >> what to understand and to solve the problems of the Universe: >> ? They will demand for their eventual settlement not only >> physical insight but also metaphysical decision ?. >> / preface / >> And, maybe, Aristotle was right separating the world and knowledge >> on two parts: Physics and Metaphysics. >> === . >> Somebody wrote: >> The science will purify the religion of the ?ross?. >> I agree. >> ===========. >> Best wishes. >> Israel Sadovnik Socratus. >> ===. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >
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