Hi Roger,

I would say the opposite - energy not being conserved would pose a harder
challenge to materialism, because then you'd have to ask where it comes
from and where it goes.


On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  Does energy obey the laws of materialism ?
>
> Energy presents us with an argument against materialism,
> (or at least materialism as I understand it) since is conserved,
> regardess of form or  physical location. Thus the electrical energy
> created
> in a generating station at one location can be transported down
> a copper wire to a house miles away. It will seem to lose some
> value due to the heating by resistance in the wire, but
> that is merely a conversion of electrical to heat energy and
> the total is maintained. But all of this occurs over a range
> of locations, not in a single body of material.
>
> Similarly in a pendulum clock, there is a continual conversion of
> energy from potential energy to kinetic energy and back
> again, but some nonphysical marker outside of spacetime keeps the
> total constant.
>
> Etc.
>
> I would say that the nonphysical marker outside of the physical
> world is mental energy, or the idea of energy, and it is this (a
> nonphysical idea rather than a physical quantity) that is actually
> maintained. Leibniz in his Idealism gives a similar account to the
> transfer of "momentum" between colliding bodies, maintaining,
> quite reasonably, that momentum is an idea rather than a thing.
> In other words, there is no such physical thing as momentum, only
> the idea of momentum.
>
>
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>  Are you saying that energy is non physical?
> Dan G
> On 1/18/2013 5:06 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
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>  Either way it is still non physical - it is energy and remains energy.
> Cass
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