Hi Roger, I would say the opposite - energy not being conserved would pose a harder challenge to materialism, because then you'd have to ask where it comes from and where it goes.
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > Does energy obey the laws of materialism ? > > Energy presents us with an argument against materialism, > (or at least materialism as I understand it) since is conserved, > regardess of form or physical location. Thus the electrical energy > created > in a generating station at one location can be transported down > a copper wire to a house miles away. It will seem to lose some > value due to the heating by resistance in the wire, but > that is merely a conversion of electrical to heat energy and > the total is maintained. But all of this occurs over a range > of locations, not in a single body of material. > > Similarly in a pendulum clock, there is a continual conversion of > energy from potential energy to kinetic energy and back > again, but some nonphysical marker outside of spacetime keeps the > total constant. > > Etc. > > I would say that the nonphysical marker outside of the physical > world is mental energy, or the idea of energy, and it is this (a > nonphysical idea rather than a physical quantity) that is actually > maintained. Leibniz in his Idealism gives a similar account to the > transfer of "momentum" between colliding bodies, maintaining, > quite reasonably, that momentum is an idea rather than a thing. > In other words, there is no such physical thing as momentum, only > the idea of momentum. > > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Cass Silva <[email protected]> > *Receiver:* [email protected] > *Time:* 2013-01-19, 17:58:57 > *Subject:* Re: [Mind and Brain] News: Physicists Find Evidence > ThatTheUniverseIsA 'Giant Brain' > > > > ** > non-material > Cass > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dan Ghiocel <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Saturday, 19 January 2013 12:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Mind and Brain] News: Physicists Find Evidence That > TheUniverseIsA 'Giant Brain' > > > Are you saying that energy is non physical? > Dan G > On 1/18/2013 5:06 PM, Cass Silva wrote: > > > Either way it is still non physical - it is energy and remains energy. > Cass > > <snip> > > __._,_.___ > Reply via web > post<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MindBrain/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdTZxMW84BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzY4MTcyMDUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA5MTk1OTExBG1zZ0lkAzQ1NDgxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTM1ODY1MTY0Mg--?act=reply&messageNum=45481> > Reply > to sender > <[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5BMind%20and%20Brain%5D%20News%3A%20Physicists%20Find%20Evidence%20That%20TheUniverseIsA%20%27Giant%20Brain%27> > Reply > to group > <[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5BMind%20and%20Brain%5D%20News%3A%20Physicists%20Find%20Evidence%20That%20TheUniverseIsA%20%27Giant%20Brain%27> > Start > a New > Topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MindBrain/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldWFpMTRuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzY4MTcyMDUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA5MTk1OTExBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTM1ODY1MTY0Mg--> > Messages > in this > topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MindBrain/message/45410;_ylc=X3oDMTM2MnZ2bTRpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzY4MTcyMDUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA5MTk1OTExBG1zZ0lkAzQ1NDgxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTM1ODY1MTY0MgR0cGNJZAM0NTQxMA-->(14) > Recent Activity: > > - New > Members<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MindBrain/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYjg0ZW9nBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzY4MTcyMDUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA5MTk1OTExBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEzNTg2NTE2NDI-?o=6> > 1 > > Visit Your > Group<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MindBrain;_ylc=X3oDMTJlODR2b3JjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzY4MTcyMDUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA5MTk1OTExBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTM1ODY1MTY0Mg--> > [image: Yahoo! > Groups]<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkb2JuZ2I3BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzY4MTcyMDUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA5MTk1OTExBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzU4NjUxNjQy> > Switch to: > Text-Only<[email protected]?subject=Change+Delivery+Format:+Traditional>, > Daily Digest<[email protected]?subject=Email+Delivery:+Digest>• > Unsubscribe <[email protected]?subject=Unsubscribe> • > Terms > of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> • Send us Feedback > <[email protected]?subject=Feedback+on+the+redesigned+individual+mail+v1> > . > > __,_._,___ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
