On 21 Jan 2013, at 02:41, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:

This may be totally irrelavent, but NDE studlier, Raymond Moody, has a book published about 3 years ago, called Glimpses of Eternity, in which NDE's and passings-on are a shared experience, including a life review, seen by family and friends.

I found this interesting, but still annoying by the lack of seriousness on some points. Notably that people having NDE can describe objects in their vicinity during the experiences. I am not against that notion, but they don't describe serious protocol to assess them and conclude too much hastily. Of course if comp is true, such discovery would make the comp substitution level much lower than most neuro-philosopher believes today.

Supposedly, such family and friends, are not under the influence of psychotropic medications at the time, and what it has to do with Arithmatical Contradiction, I am sadly, ignorant.

For the case of ideally correct machine, an arithmetical contradiction (which does not exist) is equivalent to death (which does not exist for such ideal machines). If you prefer: going near an arithmetical contradiction (like in the video(*) where they did it by ignoring the metric system!) is equivalent with going near death.

Some psychotropic medication might lead a brain to a state similar to some near death state. This is a common assumption concerning some mushroom, tabernanthe iboga, salvia divinorum, high LSD dose, DMT, etc. Note that sleep is itself a way to experiment such "near death" altered conscious state. The brain can plausibly have tricks to manage extreme (near death) situations. This has a survival value, especially for the mammals who fight a lot, like humans.

What I found interesting in the video is that some survivor have a discourse quite close to the discourse done by patient after salvia or iboga, without an account of a first person NDE, and of course, without taking psychedelic (well, one was under alcohol, and he was not happy about that).

But I'd thought I would pass it this way to see if there was any connection,at all?

Thanks for the question and comment.



(*) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ribT9NfkAsg


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