On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:45:15 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
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> Obviously you don't want to have a rational discussion.
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Obviously you can't defend your criticism.

 

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> *Time:* 2013-01-23, 12:37:35
> *Subject:* Re: A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it.
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>  On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:39:17 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
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>>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
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>>  This get sillier the more realistically we examine your claim.
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>> It would also make an interesting experiment to record with a videocam
>>  set off with a trip wire that could be posted on Youtube.
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>> How fast is the object of perception created in the brain? 
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> There is no object created in the brain. Perception is an experience which 
> is accessed through the sensitivities of the brain to the body and the body 
> to the world.
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>>  How fast would the rock be created ?
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> The rock is not created, except geologically. You really have no idea what 
> I'm talking about.
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>>  Would it start being created at the point of contact, or all over ?
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> Not created - noticed in the experience of contact.
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>>  Would that be faster than the blind man's reaction time ?
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> What does faster have to do with anything. If you can see, then you detect 
> the rock at a distance from your body. If you can't see, then you detect 
> the rock as it contacts your body or a prosthetic extension of your body. 
> Eyes extend the sense of your brain into a public optical context.
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>>  Would there be a heat of solidification required ? 
>> Would that heat or cool the surrounding area ?
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> You are way out in your own strawman version of my view. Would what 
> require a heat or solidification? Kicking a rock?
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>> Would the creation of the rock show up on a videocam 
>>     recording the eventCould we hear that happen ? What would the 
>> creation of a rock sound like ?
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> Rocks sound like rocks when you kick them. They show up on videocam 
> without being created - they are detected by the photosensitive CDC, but 
> that is as far as it goes. That photosensitivity is not shared by any 
> organism which interprets it though emotional or cognitive sensitivity.
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>> How does the speed of creation of the rock compare with the blind man's 
>> reaction time to contacting the rock ?
>> What would his perception look like to a blind man?
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> There is no rock 'created'. You are thinking of a caricature of idealism 
> and projecting it onto me, and I suspect that you always will. Not your 
> fault, but you aren't going to learn anything if you don't understand what 
> I'm proposing.
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> Craig
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>> Etc. 
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>> *Time:* 2013-01-22, 15:43:19
>> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy
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>> On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:12:10 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
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>>>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
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>>> That's quite a stretch. You really expect me to believe
>>> that a rock in the path of a blind man walking would
>>> be detected by him ? Of course he could detect it with his cane,
>>> but what if he had none ?
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>> Then he detects it when he trips over it. Having eyes allows us to extend 
>> the range of our tripping and changes the quality of the experience as well.
>>
>> Craig
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>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy
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>>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:19:36 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
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>>>>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
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>>>>  
>>>> But nothing would exist for a blind man,
>>>> since he can see nothing.
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>>> Blind people can hear and feel and think, smell and taste, touch. 
>>> Everything exists to the extent that it can be detected directly or 
>>> indirectly.
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>>>> *Time:* 2013-01-21, 09:11:18
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy
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>>>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 4:54:58 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
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>>>>>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Could a blind man stub his toe ?
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>>>> Anyone can stub their toe.
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>>>>> *Time:* 2013-01-20, 21:35:50
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy
>>>>>
>>>>>  What would an alien intelligence help explain the origin of the 
>>>>> universe? Wouldn't you just have to explain the origin of this alien 
>>>>> intelligence?
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>>>>> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:11:13 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: 
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>>>>>>  Does anyone have an issue with thinking about God as an alien 
>>>>>> intelligence, which created the Hibble Volume (aka Universe)? Michael 
>>>>>> Shermer sort of put this concept together, perhaps in the hope of 
>>>>>> getting 
>>>>>> people to think, or possibly, to tick-off Christian Fundamentalist? I 
>>>>>> have 
>>>>>> no problem with this conceptualization. Is there a psycho-social, 
>>>>>> downside 
>>>>>> to this way of thinking? 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Or, maybe I have just gone off the deep-end, and "Flying sphagetti 
>>>>>> monster" here I come?
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