On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:45:15 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Obviously you don't want to have a rational discussion. >
Obviously you can't defend your criticism. > > > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Craig Weinberg <javascript:> > *Receiver:* everything-list <javascript:> > *Time:* 2013-01-23, 12:37:35 > *Subject:* Re: A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it. > > On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:39:17 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> This get sillier the more realistically we examine your claim. >> >> It would also make an interesting experiment to record with a videocam >> set off with a trip wire that could be posted on Youtube. >> >> How fast is the object of perception created in the brain? >> > > There is no object created in the brain. Perception is an experience which > is accessed through the sensitivities of the brain to the body and the body > to the world. > > >> How fast would the rock be created ? >> > > The rock is not created, except geologically. You really have no idea what > I'm talking about. > > >> Would it start being created at the point of contact, or all over ? >> > > Not created - noticed in the experience of contact. > > >> Would that be faster than the blind man's reaction time ? >> > > What does faster have to do with anything. If you can see, then you detect > the rock at a distance from your body. If you can't see, then you detect > the rock as it contacts your body or a prosthetic extension of your body. > Eyes extend the sense of your brain into a public optical context. > > >> Would there be a heat of solidification required ? >> Would that heat or cool the surrounding area ? >> > > You are way out in your own strawman version of my view. Would what > require a heat or solidification? Kicking a rock? > > >> >> Would the creation of the rock show up on a videocam >> recording the eventCould we hear that happen ? What would the >> creation of a rock sound like ? >> > > Rocks sound like rocks when you kick them. They show up on videocam > without being created - they are detected by the photosensitive CDC, but > that is as far as it goes. That photosensitivity is not shared by any > organism which interprets it though emotional or cognitive sensitivity. > > >> >> How does the speed of creation of the rock compare with the blind man's >> reaction time to contacting the rock ? >> What would his perception look like to a blind man? >> > > There is no rock 'created'. You are thinking of a caricature of idealism > and projecting it onto me, and I suspect that you always will. Not your > fault, but you aren't going to learn anything if you don't understand what > I'm proposing. > > Craig > > >> Etc. >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Craig Weinberg >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2013-01-22, 15:43:19 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:12:10 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>> >>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>> >>> That's quite a stretch. You really expect me to believe >>> that a rock in the path of a blind man walking would >>> be detected by him ? Of course he could detect it with his cane, >>> but what if he had none ? >>> >> >> Then he detects it when he trips over it. Having eyes allows us to extend >> the range of our tripping and changes the quality of the experience as well. >> >> Craig >> >> >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> >>> *From:* Craig Weinberg >>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>> *Time:* 2013-01-21, 10:40:52 >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:19:36 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>>> >>>> >>>> But nothing would exist for a blind man, >>>> since he can see nothing. >>>> >>> >>> Blind people can hear and feel and think, smell and taste, touch. >>> Everything exists to the extent that it can be detected directly or >>> indirectly. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> *From:* Craig Weinberg >>>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>>> *Time:* 2013-01-21, 09:11:18 >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 4:54:58 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>>>> >>>>> Could a blind man stub his toe ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Anyone can stub their toe. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>>> *From:* Craig Weinberg >>>>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>>>> *Time:* 2013-01-20, 21:35:50 >>>>> *Subject:* Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >>>>> >>>>> What would an alien intelligence help explain the origin of the >>>>> universe? Wouldn't you just have to explain the origin of this alien >>>>> intelligence? >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:11:13 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone have an issue with thinking about God as an alien >>>>>> intelligence, which created the Hibble Volume (aka Universe)? Michael >>>>>> Shermer sort of put this concept together, perhaps in the hope of >>>>>> getting >>>>>> people to think, or possibly, to tick-off Christian Fundamentalist? I >>>>>> have >>>>>> no problem with this conceptualization. Is there a psycho-social, >>>>>> downside >>>>>> to this way of thinking? >>>>>> >>>>>> Or, maybe I have just gone off the deep-end, and "Flying sphagetti >>>>>> monster" here I come? >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/wiperHBOCuMJ. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/Gp6t1_UEDC0J. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/I8qwrsvyd5IJ. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/Y--Z92oZB8oJ. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/MTWN9ki8gS4J. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <javascript:>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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