On 2/20/2013 8:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 20 Feb 2013, at 00:27, meekerdb wrote:

On 2/19/2013 1:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    On 2/18/2013 10:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
    6. Swapping places with someone: In 5 seconds, your mind and consciousness 
    swap with that of some rich and famous person.  Let's say Bill Gates.  I 
hope you
    are ready.  5. 4. 3. 2. 1.  The swap is complete.  Bill Gates is now in your
    body, with access to your memories and living as you were just before you 
got to
    reading this sentence, while you are living as a billionaire and enjoying 
    bank account.   Of course, while you are in his body you only have access 
to his
    memories.  Not only does his wife not notice the switch, but you don't even
    notice it.  You only have access to Bill's memories now so you do not 
    anything is awry.  Don't worry, everything will be set back how it was, in 
3. 2.
    1. Welcome back. How was it? Of course, you don't remember. Fortunately, 
Bill was
    nice enough to read the last few sentences for you and now they have been 
    into your memory.  This shows it is meaningless to say "I wish I could live 
    X", or "experience a day in Y's shoes".  For all you know, you already are, 
    and will.

    This, if true, only shows that "you" and "Bill Gates" don't exist apart 
from your
    bodies and memories, so that it is nonsense to talk of exchanging bodies 
and memories.

We agree it is nonsense.

      For it to make sense there would have to be a "you" soul and a "Bill 
Gates" soul
    that switched.

Okay, if no soul involved, then by what means can we talk of you at T1 and you at T2, when the two are different in terms of memories and material?

There is a problem with any theories of personal identity two individuals at two different times. Inevitably it comes down to some arbitrary measure of similarity. There are two alternatives, no-self theories of personal identity, in which you are nothing but a single observer moment, and universalism, which identifies you with every conscious entity.

You have been seduced by comp so that you forget the simplest theory - physical 

Physical continuity entails, very plausibly, computability.

Yes that is very plausible.  But I also suspect that comp plus intelligence 
entails physics.


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