2013/2/19 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 2/18/2013 10:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>> 6. Swapping places with someone: In 5 seconds, your mind and
>> consciousness will swap with that of some rich and famous person. Let's
>> say Bill Gates. I hope you are ready. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. The swap is
>> complete. Bill Gates is now in your body, with access to your memories and
>> living as you were just before you got to reading this sentence, while you
>> are living as a billionaire and enjoying Bills bank account. Of course,
>> while you are in his body you only have access to his memories. Not only
>> does his wife not notice the switch, but you don't even notice it. You
>> only have access to Bill's memories now so you do not realize anything is
>> awry. Don't worry, everything will be set back how it was, in 3. 2. 1.
>> Welcome back. How was it? Of course, you don't remember. Fortunately, Bill
>> was nice enough to read the last few sentences for you and now they have
>> been placed into your memory. This shows it is meaningless to say "I wish
>> I could live as X", or "experience a day in Y's shoes". For all you know,
>> you already are, have, and will.
>> This, if true, only shows that "you" and "Bill Gates" don't exist apart
>> from your bodies and memories, so that it is nonsense to talk of exchanging
>> bodies and memories.
> We agree it is nonsense.
>> For it to make sense there would have to be a "you" soul and a "Bill
>> Gates" soul that switched.
> Okay, if no soul involved, then by what means can we talk of you at T1 and
> you at T2, when the two are different in terms of memories and material?
Causality ? The you at T1 and the you at T2 are causally linked.
> There is a problem with any theories of personal identity two individuals
> at two different times. Inevitably it comes down to some arbitrary measure
> of similarity. There are two alternatives, no-self theories of personal
> identity, in which you are nothing but a single observer moment, and
> universalism, which identifies you with every conscious entity.
> Universalism is a simpler theory that explains more, in that it can answer
> why you are experiencing the moment you are in now vs. none at all or some
> other observer moment. No-self theories, taken seriously, seem
> incompatible with the scientific method, as if you are trapped in a single
> OM forever, you cannot perform any experiments, or test predictions.
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