On Friday, March 15, 2013 4:18:58 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Bruno Marchal <mar...@ulb.ac.be<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> >> No that is the exact opposite of the truth, we cannot follow our own >> self determination. If you tell me that a system is deterministic you have >> added exactly zero information by telling me that the system also has "free >> will", thus "free will" means nothing and is just a noise. >> >> >If you tell me that a system is deterministic you have added exactly >> zero information by telling me that the system also has "consciousness", >> thus "consciousness" means nothing and is just a noise. >> > > Loss of consciousness such as in sleep or anesthesia has observable > consequences for me, I formed no new memories and the external universe > seems to have instantaneously jumped ahead, but loss of "free will" has no > observable consequences to me or to anybody else because nobody has a clue > what the dumb thing is supposed to mean. >
If someone sells you into slavery, or brainwashes you in a cult, can you not see that you have lost something? ... So all "free will" means is that sometimes we can make correct predictions about what we will do before we do it, No. I can make correct predictions about my heartbeat and my respiration. Of the two, I can only influence my lungs with my free will. Do you deny that there is a difference in your own body? Can you not 'control' your lungs to a greater extent than you can control your heartbeat? How do you define this difference in your worldview? Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
