Brent wrote (I wish I knew "TO" whom):
    "Why not?  It acts on the temperature."
Acts? remember my proposed definition for Ccness:
    "Response to relations" (like: temperature).
We are deeply in a semantic fit.
I don't think you wanted to argue with me - just clarifying.
JM

On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 10:49 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

> On 5/27/2013 6:55 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 05:44:57PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/27/2013 5:08 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 04:53:56PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think consciousness is an all-or-nothing property.  You have
>>>>> to ask "Consciousness of what?"  There's consciousness of
>>>>> surroundings: sound, photons, temperature, chemical
>>>>> concentrations....  There's consciousness of internal states.
>>>>> Consciousness of sex.  Consciousness of one's location.
>>>>> Consciousness of one's status in a tribe.  I think human-like
>>>>> consciousness requires language of some kind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brent
>>>>>
>>>> I would be happy with consciousness of surroundings. It seems to be
>>>> the most basic of all the ones you mention there.
>>>>
>>> It is pretty basic, but I'd say consciousness of some internal
>>> states is more basic and occurred early in the evolution of life.
>>> Even a cell must know when to divide.
>>>
>>>  Why does that require consciousness? I'm not conscious of my body
>> repairing itself, or dogesting food.
>>
>>  But that's a large class and is not all-or-nothing either.  We're
>>> conscious of light and it's phase relations which form images, but
>>> we don't see the polarization.  And we don't see very much of the
>>> spectrum.  We don't detect magnetic fields and our detection of
>>> chemicals in the air is almost non-existent compared to dogs.
>>>
>>>  You appear to be confusing sensory capability with consciousness. A
>> thermostat is capable of sensing temperature, but I doubt it is
>> conscious of the temperature.
>>
>
> Why not?  It acts on the temperature.
>
>
>
>> Consciousness is an experiential quality. We are either conscious when
>> we experience something (called qualia), or we're not conscious at all.
>>
>
> That seems to me just substituting one word "experience" for another
> "conscious" and doesn't tell us anything.  The thermostat experiences
> temperature.
>
>
>
>> Still seems all or nothing to me. People who claim consciousness comes
>> in different types, or comes in shades of grey, seem to be talking
>> about completely different things than the usual meaning of the term.
>>
>
> I think the usual meaning refers to humans inner narration (which depends
> on language) and the association of values to that narration.  What do you
> think "the usual meaning" is?
>
> Brent
>
>
>>
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