Hi tintner michael and Albert Cororna, I am accused of wasting peoples' time by constantly posting here and elsewhere on the subject of Leibniz.
I do that because people are already wasting their time by posting totally impossible views on what mind is or what consciousness is, supposedly the chief topics on these sites. Why ? The current model of the mind or brain has no subject, only a description of a subject such as "subject". which is not subjective but objective because it can be located in spacetime and described in words. You need a living, nonphysical, subjective subject. In fact life also needs a living subject. The same as is reading this paragraph. Why ? Consciousness is bipolar, consisting of a nonphysical-subject/physical-object pair, a true living subject looking at a spactime physical object. Only Kant and Leibniz take this criticism seriously, and of them, only Leibniz does it specifically. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: tintner michael Receiver: MindBrain Time: 2013-08-02, 07:17:50 Subject: [Mind and Brain] Re: Why life is impossible to understand in thematerialistic model of e >I suspect this is a matter of perspective. > >You're assuming that the current materialistic model is the only possible >such model, rather than merely an "early evolution" model of materialism. > >Science is still looking at the world as materialistic pieces/parts. It >does not yet have a true holistic, integrated materialistic model of the >world, which understands how the parts fit together to form wholes. It >doesn't understand "self" - how the living machine that is a human being >can continuously configure and reconfigure its body as very >different wholes - how a Peter Sellers can assume a myriad >roles/personalities/bodies. It doesn't understand the mechanics of >evolution - how bodies can be "reconfigured"/transformed into radically >different forms other bodies. > >This is not surprising. So far we have only created machines that are >"production lines" of parts - basically Rube Goldberg lines of parts moving >each other like lines of dominoes. We haven't created - have barely >conceived of - machines that are truly integrated wholes like living >creatures. > >When we start acquiring holistic materialistic models, I suspect your >problems/objections will disappear. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.