Hi tintner michael and Albert Cororna,
I am accused of wasting peoples' time by constantly posting
here and elsewhere on the subject of Leibniz.
I do that because people are already wasting their time
by posting totally impossible views on what mind is or what consciousness is,
supposedly the chief topics on these sites.
Why ? The current model of the mind or brain
has no subject, only a description of a subject such as "subject".
which is not subjective but objective because it can be located in spacetime
and described in words.
You need a living, nonphysical, subjective subject. In fact life also needs a
The same as is reading this paragraph.
Why ? Consciousness is bipolar, consisting of a
pair, a true living subject looking at a spactime physical object.
Only Kant and Leibniz take this criticism seriously, and of them, only Leibniz
does it specifically.
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
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From: tintner michael
Time: 2013-08-02, 07:17:50
Subject: [Mind and Brain] Re: Why life is impossible to understand in
thematerialistic model of e
>I suspect this is a matter of perspective.
>You're assuming that the current materialistic model is the only possible
>such model, rather than merely an "early evolution" model of materialism.
>Science is still looking at the world as materialistic pieces/parts. It
>does not yet have a true holistic, integrated materialistic model of the
>world, which understands how the parts fit together to form wholes. It
>doesn't understand "self" - how the living machine that is a human being
>can continuously configure and reconfigure its body as very
>different wholes - how a Peter Sellers can assume a myriad
>roles/personalities/bodies. It doesn't understand the mechanics of
>evolution - how bodies can be "reconfigured"/transformed into radically
>different forms other bodies.
>This is not surprising. So far we have only created machines that are
>"production lines" of parts - basically Rube Goldberg lines of parts moving
>each other like lines of dominoes. We haven't created - have barely
>conceived of - machines that are truly integrated wholes like living
>When we start acquiring holistic materialistic models, I suspect your
>problems/objections will disappear.
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