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On 08.09.2013, at 22:28, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> "Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical
>>> >> research program".
>> > I don't have any problem with Popper's comments here. I see no reason
>> > whatsoever for 'Popper fans or fans of philosophers of science' to be
>> > concerned in the slightest.
> Yes I know, fans of Popper are not concerned in the slightest with their hero
> making that moronic statement, and Popper called himself a philosopher; and
> that is exactly how philosophy gets a bad name.
>> > People misunderstand Popper here.
> Apparently even Popper misunderstood Popper because, to his credit, he
> admitted he was wrong about Darwin; most other philosophers would rather eat
> ground glass than admit they were wrong. It's just a pity that it took this
> great philosopher of science 119 years after the publication of "The Origin
> Of Species" to figure out that Darwin was a scientist. I guess philosophers
> are just slow learners
>> > Furthermore, in regarding natural selection as untestable he followed in
>> > the footsteps of many Darwinists.
> Should a good philosopher be following in somebody's footsteps or should he
> tell him he's going in the wrong direction?
>> > It was quite common to think that the concept of 'survival of the fittest'
>> > involved circular reasoning and was therefore tautological. ie. 'fittest'
>> > is defined as 'those that survive' and so 'survival of the fittest'
>> > amounts to saying 'the survivors survive'.
> Darwin gave a new meaning to the word, "fittest" means passing on more genes
> that endure (survive) to the next generation than somebody who is less fit.
Darwin knew nothing about genes.
> And if philosophers see something circular in that then that is yet another
> reason philosophy has a bad name.
>> > Can't see that ever being falsified.
> Nearly a century ago J.B.S. Haldane was confronted with a bonehead who said
> he thought Evolution was not a scientific theory because he was unable to
> provide a hypothetical way it could be disproved. In response Haldane
> thundered "RABBITS IN THE PRECAMBRIAN !".
>> > Secondly, I admire Popper for not just accepting Darwinism by rote. For
>> > calling things as he saw them, even if he called it wrong. Good for him
> I believe sincerity is a hugely overrated virtue, I have more respect for
> somebody insincerely right than sincerely wrong.
> John K Clark
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