On 16 Jan 2014, at 00:12, Edgar L. Owen wrote:

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All,I want to try to state my model of how spacetime is created byquantum events more clearly and succinctly.Begin by Imagining a world in which everything is computational.

`That does not exist. If everything is computational, I am`

`computational, and thus comp is true, but comp entails the existence`

`of many non computational things, so everything cannot be a`

`computational things. You seem to ignore the FPI, and you seem to use`

`implicitly some body/mind identify thesis which are not consistent`

`with computationalism.`

Bruno

In particular where the usually imagined single pre-existingdimensional spacetime background does NOT exist.Now consider how we can get a spacetime to emerge from thecomputations in a way that conceptually unifies GR and QM,eliminates all quantum 'paradoxes', and explains the source ofquantum randomness in the world.There is an easy straightforward way though it takes a little effortto understand, and one must first set aside some common sensenotions about reality.Assume a basic computation that occurs is the conservation ofparticle properties in any particle interaction in comp space.The conservation of particle properties essentially takes theamounts of all particle properties of incoming particles andredistributes them among the outgoing particles in every particleinteraction.The results of such computational events is that the particleproperties of all outgoing particles of every event areinterrelated. They have to be to be conserved in toto. This iscalled 'entanglement'. The outgoing particles of every event arealways entangled on the particle properties conserved in that event.Now some particle properties (spin, mass, energy) are dimensionalparticle properties. These are entangled too by particle interactionevents. In other words, all dimensional particle properties betweenthe outgoing particles of every event are interrelated. They have tobe for them to be conserved. These relationships are exact. Theymust be to satisfy the conservation laws.Now assume every such dimensional entanglement effectively creates aspacetime point, defined as a dimensional interrelationship.Now assume those particles keep interacting with other particles.The result will be an ever expanding network of dimensionalinterrelationships which in effect creates a mini spacetime manifoldof dimensional interrelations.Now assume a human observer at the classical level which iscontinuously involved in myriads of particle interaction (e.g.millions of photons impinging on its retina). The effect will bethat all those continuous particle events will result in a vastnetwork of dimensional interrelationships that is perceived by thehuman observer as a classical spacetime.He cannot observe any actual empty space because it doesn't actuallyexist. All that he can actually observe is actual events withdimensional relationships to him. Now the structure that emerges,due to the math of the particle property conservation laws inaggregate, is consistent and manifests at the classical level as thestructure of our familiar spacetime.But this, like all aspects of the classical 'physical' world, isactually a computational illusion. This classical spacetime doesn'tactually exist. It must be continually maintained by myriads ofcontinuing quantum events or it instantly vanishes back into thecomputational reality from which it emerged.Now an absolutely critical point in understand how this modelconceptually unifies GR and QM and eliminates quantum paradox isthat every mini-spacetime network that emerges from quantum eventsis absolutely independent of all others (a completely separatespace) UNTIL it is linked and aligned with other networks throughsome common quantum event. When that occurs, and only then, allalignments of both networks are resolved into a single spacetimecommon to all its elements.E.g. in the spin entanglement 'paradox'. When the particles arecreated their spins are exactly equal and opposite to each other,but only in their own frame in their own mini spacetime. They haveto be to obey the conservation laws. That is why their orientationis unknowable to a human observer in his UNconnected spacetime frameof the laboratory.However when the spin of one particle is measured that event linksand aligns the mini-spacetime of the particles with the spacetime ofthe laboratory and that makes the spin orientations of bothparticles aligned with that of the laboratory and thereafter thespin orientation of the other particle will always be found equaland opposite to that of the first.There is no FTL communication, there is no 'non-locality', there isno 'paradox'. It all depends on the recognition that the spinorientations of the particles exist in a completely separateunaligned spacetime fragment from that of the laboratory until theyare linked and aligned via a measurement event.Edgar On Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:16:28 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: All,I want to try to state my model of how spacetime is created byquantum events more clearly and succinctly.Begin by Imagining a world in which everything is computational. Inparticular where the usually imagined single pre-existingdimensional spacetime background does NOT exist.Now consider how we can get a spacetime to emerge from thecomputations in a way that conceptually unifies GR and QM,eliminates all quantum 'paradoxes', and explains the source ofquantum randomness in the world.There is an easy straightforward way though it takes a little effortto understand, and one must first set aside some common sensenotions about reality.Assume a basic computation that occurs is the conservation ofparticle properties in any particle interaction in comp space.The conservation of particle properties essentially takes theamounts of all particle properties of incoming particles andredistributes them among the outgoing particles in every particleinteraction.The results of such computational events is that the particleproperties of all outgoing particles of every event areinterrelated. They have to be to be conserved in toto. This iscalled 'entanglement'. The outgoing particles of every event arealways entangled on the particle properties conserved in that event.Now some particle properties (spin, mass, energy) are dimensionalparticle properties. These are entangled too by particle interactionevents. In other words, all dimensional particle properties betweenthe outgoing particles of every event are interrelated. They have tobe for them to be conserved. These relationships are exact. Theymust be to satisfy the conservation laws.Now assume every such dimensional entanglement effectively creates aspacetime point, defined as a dimensional interrelationship.Now assume those particles keep interacting with other particles.The result will be an ever expanding network of dimensionalinterrelationships which in effect creates a mini spacetime manifoldof dimensional interrelations.Now assume a human observer at the classical level which iscontinuously involved in myriads of particle interaction (e.g.millions of photons impinging on its retina). The effect will bethat all those continuous particle events will result in a vastnetwork of dimensional interrelationships that is perceived by thehuman observer as a classical spacetime.He cannot observe any actual empty space because it doesn't actuallyexist. All that he can actually observe is actual events withdimensional relationships to him. Now the structure that emerges,due to the math of the particle property conservation laws inaggregate, is consistent and manifests at the classical level as thestructure of our familiar spacetime.But this, like all aspects of the classical 'physical' world, isactually a computational illusion. This classical spacetime doesn'tactually exist. It must be continually maintained by myriads ofcontinuing quantum events or it instantly vanishes back into thecomputational reality from which it emerged.Now an absolutely critical point in understand how this modelconceptually unifies GR and QM and eliminates quantum paradox isthat every mini-spacetime network that emerges from quantum eventsis absolutely independent of all others (a completely separatespace) UNTIL it is linked and aligned with other networks throughsome common quantum event. When that occurs, and only then, allalignments of both networks are resolved into a single spacetimecommon to all its elements.E.g. in the spin entanglement 'paradox'. When the particles arecreated their spins are exactly equal and opposite to each other,but only in their own frame in their own mini spacetime. They haveto be to obey the conservation laws. That is why their orientationis unknowable to a human observer in his UNconnected spacetime frameof the laboratory.However when the spin of one particle is measured that event linksand aligns the mini-spacetime of the particles with the spacetime ofthe laboratory and that makes the spin orientations of bothparticles aligned with that of the laboratory and thereafter thespin orientation of the other particle will always be found equaland opposite to that of the first.There is no FTL communication, there is no 'non-locality', there isno 'paradox'. It all depends on the recognition that the spinorientations of the particles exist in a completely separateunaligned spacetime fragment from that of the laboratory until theyare linked and aligned via a measurement event.Edgar --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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