On 19 Jan 2014, at 09:43, Russell Standish wrote:

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 01:41:08AM -0600, Jason Resch wrote:


On Jan 19, 2014, at 12:04 AM, Russell Standish
<li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote:

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:38:28PM -0600, Jason Resch wrote:
Russell,

What are your thoughts regarding
compatibilism<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism>?
Do you consider it a cop-out?

Jason


I think it largely irrelevant, as it is clear we don't live in a
deterministic world.

If many worlds is true, then the equations we obey are
deterministic. We just iterate deterministically over all the
possible outcomes. If this is the case, then I think compatibilism
once again becomes relevant.

Also, if minds are implemented above the level where quantum
randomness plays a major factor then again determinism in the
context of decision making becomes relevant.

How do you define free will? Do you think it is something that would
be impossible within a fully deterministic universe?

Thanks,

Jason


Its the ability to do something stupid, ie take the nonrational
course. This could be achieved in a deterministic world, I suppose,
using a pseudo RNG, but unless it is cryptographically strong, there
is little point.

But in any case, we do not live in a deterministic world (its true
that we live in a deterministic multiverse, but the individual worlds
are not), so we have genuine randomness to exploit for free will,
creativity and so on.

So free-will would rely on the FPI, or the quantum I, but I don't see how a random choice can augment my free-will. Free-will is more deterministic (but unknown by the subject) self-determination. It is the will, with enough degree of freedom.

Bruno



Cheers

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