On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:50, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014/1/21 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
On 20 Jan 2014, at 21:11, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Brent, as much as I like the idea of quantum effects being true,
and the Hameroff-Penrose thesis that microtubules are da' bomb,
There is a big difference between Penrose and Hameroff.
Penrose disbelieve comp. The soul in Penrose is not even emulable by
a quantum computer. The mircotubules are just used by him to suggest
a role for the quantum, but that role is in the non computable wave
packet reduction, that Penrose speculates to be related to gravity.
It is a non comp theory.
Hameroff does not go that far, and accepts comp. He believed that
the microtubules defined some quantum computer in the brain. For
example, in that case the UD proof goes through. Notably.
I feel we have to ask what good this does us? Medically, or
philosophically, I am not certain. How does knowing that one of the
moons of Neptune is called Neirid? Exactly! It don't. Am I
screaming for the cause of willful ignorance? Not intentionally,
but I still want all scientific analysis to benefit humankind. Call
it a super-goal.
Most of the human misery might be due to people who want the good
for the humankind.
Science, even ethical science, should be neutral. Then the good
appears when we learn to no more hide the possible truth. Happiness
is very simple, once it is not made into a goal.
For the human kind, people should do their job, and correct it when
it hurts. The problem is when we put bandits at the top, which will
professionally hides the truth and the suffering for personal
benefits. We have to fight that indeed, but in a spirit of self-
defense, not in the spirit of imposing new views on the world,
because that leads to unhappiness and lies.
Keep in mind that when we have discovered a cure for cancer, it has
been made illegal at once, even the research on it. That illustrates
the kind of barbaric world we live in.
Well cannabis has not been shown *to cure* cancer, but it has anti-
cancer properties, but it doesn't cure it
I can give you reference. In 1974 the americans have discovered that
it does indeed cure different sort of mice cancer. the cancerous cells
dies by eating themselves. The tumor shrinks and disappears. Since
then, the studies have shown that it can cures *or* slow down 173 type
of cancer (and my study of this is old, so it might be a larger number.
... also canabis around the wolrd is becoming legal (or the
consumption depenalized).
It s about time, and not yet done.
The prohibition of any drug is a total nonsense. In fact the word
"drug" has no meaning at all. It is an imaginary enemy, build with
pure propaganda. It is out of the topic, but I can send you tuns of
reference.
Prohibition of edible or consumable products has always been a trick
to augment artficially the consumption and the price of a product.
Anyway, I think you put to much faith and virtue in only one
thing... Sure cannabis has good side, but it also has bad one when
consumed with no moderation,
As a teacher, I have seen problem with cannabis only among tobacco
smokers, or worse, alcohol drinkers.
Illegality makes it impossible to explain the danger of mixing an hard
drug like tobacco or alcohol with cannabis. Joint can be highly
addictive, but not cannabis without tobacco.
I am not a big fan of recreative cannabis. But since I use it as a
medication (that is since 40 years), my pharma budget is about zero. I
did cure a strong sciatica with it, after all normal treatment fails,
and that the doctors press me to do a surgical operation, but with
cannabis, I could come back at work after one week.
I have and will verified, but cannabis has been made schedule one in
1970, just 4 years before the discovery that it can cure cancer
(1974), and it remained such! This shows the amount of lack of
scrupulousness in the mind of those who lead the country (in this case
senior Bush), and that was my point.
Things consume without moderation can always be bad, for any things.
When mixed with other hard drug that can be real bad.
hiding that and singing lalala saying that it's big thief/bandits
and so on that are responsible for that is just lies...
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html
I can give you all the original references. It was known than cannabis
is far less dangerous than alcohol since the start. All papers showing
a serious threat for a health have been debunked. Brain damages have
been shown result of lack on air (indeed Nahas experiences have been
lately shown to have involved rabbit smoking dozen of cigarettes 24h/
24h, etc.)
I have seen student using cannabis to pretext problems, but once you
stop playing their game, it stops being a problem, or the student stop
by themselves. In most case the problem is the tobacco behind.
I'm for the legalisation of the consumption and selling of cannabis,
but that *won't* solve all the problems in the world
Nobody said anything like that. It will just help for about 2000
diseases, and much better than the existing medication. In many case,
it is more than help, but a real cure.
and without a proper usage prevention it can do more harms than
good...
Same for bikes, climbing, home work, etc. Illegality is what makes
usage prevention impossible.
Cannabis is safer than most product sold in the supermarket. But that
is the reason why the bandits makes it illegal, as today we know that
illegality augment the dangerousness, so much that most really
dangerous drug get infinitely more dangerous when illegal, and are
quickly relegalized (like alcohol), if only because the market is
given to the bandits (cf Al Capone). Cannabis illegality does not
change the dangerousness of cannabis, because if you multiply zero you
get zero. That is why the illegality of cannabis can stay so long, and
why it is an excellent choice for the bandits to make profits.
Cannabis and salvia are the only products I know having no overdose
fatalities. Chocolate, water (yes!), aspirin, vitamin, sugar, ...
leads to overdose. Since big campaign against the use of alcohol in
initiation parties, the number of water overdose has come close to the
number of alcohol overdose (for those parties).
The illegality of cannabis shows that democracies are not immune
against propaganda. That's the lesson, and that's is what we must
correct, if possible. Not for the human kind, but for our life
expectancy and the one of our children.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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