2014/1/21 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > > On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:50, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2014/1/21 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > >> >> On 20 Jan 2014, at 21:11, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Brent, as much as I like the idea of quantum effects being true, and >> the Hameroff-Penrose thesis that microtubules are da' bomb, >> >> >> >> There is a big difference between Penrose and Hameroff. >> >> Penrose disbelieve comp. The soul in Penrose is not even emulable by a >> quantum computer. The mircotubules are just used by him to suggest a role >> for the quantum, but that role is in the non computable wave packet >> reduction, that Penrose speculates to be related to gravity. It is a non >> comp theory. >> >> Hameroff does not go that far, and accepts comp. He believed that the >> microtubules defined some quantum computer in the brain. For example, in >> that case the UD proof goes through. Notably. >> >> >> >> I feel we have to ask what good this does us? Medically, or >> philosophically, I am not certain. How does knowing that one of the moons >> of Neptune is called Neirid? Exactly! It don't. Am I screaming for the >> cause of willful ignorance? Not intentionally, but I still want all >> scientific analysis to benefit humankind. Call it a super-goal. >> >> >> Most of the human misery might be due to people who want the good for the >> humankind. >> Science, even ethical science, should be neutral. Then the good appears >> when we learn to no more hide the possible truth. Happiness is very simple, >> once it is not made into a goal. >> For the human kind, people should do their job, and correct it when it >> hurts. The problem is when we put bandits at the top, which will >> professionally hides the truth and the suffering for personal benefits. We >> have to fight that indeed, but in a spirit of self-defense, not in the >> spirit of imposing new views on the world, because that leads to >> unhappiness and lies. >> >> Keep in mind that when we have discovered a cure for cancer, it has been >> made illegal at once, even the research on it. That illustrates the kind of >> barbaric world we live in. >> > > Well cannabis has not been shown *to cure* cancer, but it has anti-cancer > properties, but it doesn't cure it > > > > I can give you reference. In 1974 the americans have discovered that it > does indeed cure different sort of mice cancer. the cancerous cells dies by > eating themselves. The tumor shrinks and disappears. Since then, the > studies have shown that it can cures *or* slow down 173 type of cancer (and > my study of this is old, so it might be a larger number. >
It has not been shown that it *cures* cancer, only that it has some anti-cancer property...reread your so called 1974 study. > > ... also canabis around the wolrd is becoming legal (or the consumption > depenalized). > > > It s about time, and not yet done. > The prohibition of any drug is a total nonsense. > I agree > In fact the word "drug" has no meaning at all. It is an imaginary enemy, > build with pure propaganda. It is out of the topic, but I can send you tuns > of reference. > > Prohibition of edible or consumable products has always been a trick to > augment artficially the consumption and the price of a product. > > > > > Anyway, I think you put to much faith and virtue in only one thing... Sure > cannabis has good side, but it also has bad one when consumed with no > moderation, > > > As a teacher, I have seen problem with cannabis only among tobacco > smokers, > As I said you only want to see what you believe... your assertion is false. Various studies (not debunked) show that it increase depressive behavior... you can assert no, but it's true, and I know it first hand. > or worse, alcohol drinkers. > I didn't say that alcohol wasn't worse, but you are denying that cannabis usage can lead to problematic usage (that's singing lalala). > Illegality makes it impossible to explain the danger of mixing an hard > drug like tobacco or alcohol with cannabis. > Abusive usage is not because cannabis is illegal. > Joint can be highly addictive, but not cannabis without tobacco. > That's not true... Quentin > > I am not a big fan of recreative cannabis. But since I use it as a > medication (that is since 40 years), my pharma budget is about zero. I did > cure a strong sciatica with it, after all normal treatment fails, and that > the doctors press me to do a surgical operation, but with cannabis, I could > come back at work after one week. > > I have and will verified, but cannabis has been made schedule one in 1970, > just 4 years before the discovery that it can cure cancer (1974), and it > remained such! This shows the amount of lack of scrupulousness in the mind > of those who lead the country (in this case senior Bush), and that was my > point. > > Things consume without moderation can always be bad, for any things. > When mixed with other hard drug that can be real bad. > > > > hiding that and singing lalala saying that it's big thief/bandits and so > on that are responsible for that is just lies... > > > http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html > > I can give you all the original references. It was known than cannabis is > far less dangerous than alcohol since the start. All papers showing > a serious threat for a health have been debunked. Brain damages have been > shown result of lack on air (indeed Nahas experiences have been lately > shown to have involved rabbit smoking dozen of cigarettes 24h/24h, etc.) > > I have seen student using cannabis to pretext problems, but once you stop > playing their game, it stops being a problem, or the student stop by > themselves. In most case the problem is the tobacco behind. > > > I'm for the legalisation of the consumption and selling of cannabis, but > that *won't* solve all the problems in the world > > > Nobody said anything like that. It will just help for about 2000 diseases, > and much better than the existing medication. In many case, it is more than > help, but a real cure. > > > > and without a proper usage prevention it can do more harms than good... > > > Same for bikes, climbing, home work, etc. Illegality is what makes usage > prevention impossible. > > Cannabis is safer than most product sold in the supermarket. But that is > the reason why the bandits makes it illegal, as today we know that > illegality augment the dangerousness, so much that most really dangerous > drug get infinitely more dangerous when illegal, and are quickly > relegalized (like alcohol), if only because the market is given to the > bandits (cf Al Capone). Cannabis illegality does not change the > dangerousness of cannabis, because if you multiply zero you get zero. That > is why the illegality of cannabis can stay so long, and why it is an > excellent choice for the bandits to make profits. > > Cannabis and salvia are the only products I know having no overdose > fatalities. Chocolate, water (yes!), aspirin, vitamin, sugar, ... leads to > overdose. Since big campaign against the use of alcohol in initiation > parties, the number of water overdose has come close to the number of > alcohol overdose (for those parties). > > The illegality of cannabis shows that democracies are not immune against > propaganda. That's the lesson, and that's is what we must correct, if > possible. Not for the human kind, but for our life expectancy and the one > of our children. > > Bruno > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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