OK, time for THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION of how gravity can escape from a black hole....
Liz, Brent, and Richard, OK, nobody got the answer so I'll explain it myself. It's pretty simple but still pretty profound and thought provoking.... Gravity IS what needs to be escaped. So it doesn't even make sense to ask how gravity could escape ITSELF. There wouldn't even be a black hole if gravity hadn't already escaped the black hole to create its gravitational effect. So what this means is that gravity is the only thing than CAN escape a black hole because it is gravity itself that creates the gravitational field that must be escaped! Thus gravity, and only gravity, can manifest freely OUTSIDE a black hole the effects of its INSIDE mass. Thus gravity is the only thing that freely COMES OUT of a black hole through the event horizon, because what stops everything else from coming out is gravity itself. But obviously gravity can't stop itself from coming out through the event horizon, because only its already manifesting presence is what stops everything else from coming out through the event horizon, but it already must have come out to stop everything else from coming out... Thus before gravity comes out through the event horizon, there is nothing to stop anything from coming out. Thus gravity can freely emerge through the event horizon and only by doing so is it able to prevent anything else from coming out.... Hope I'm explaining this clearly? Edgar On Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:29:45 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 25 January 2014 16:31, meekerdb <[email protected] <javascript:>>wrote: > >> On 1/24/2014 4:41 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >>> Brent, >>> >>> No, my proposed dark matter effect has nothing to do with black holes. >>> Black holes are caused by accumulations of actual visible matter, not by >>> the Hubble expansion of space... >>> >>> However I do have a question for you. Since gravitational changes >>> propagate at the speed of light how does the mass inside a black hole >>> produce gravitational effects outside the black hole? If light can't come >>> out how can gravitational effects come out? >>> >> >> You are thinking of gravity as mediated by force particles, like photons >> mediate the EM forces. But (at least classically) gravity isn't a force, >> it's just a shape of space and as I responded to Liz, there's not mass in a >> black hole, no T_u_v term in the Einstein equation. It's a vacuum >> solution. That's why it doesn't make any different what falls in to create >> the black hole. The effects outside the event horizon are just that the >> space is warped there just *as if* the black hole were a massive object. >> >> I believe Richard Feynmann was asked the same question (about how gravity > "escapes" a black hole). Of course gravity WAVES can't escape a black > hole... > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
