On 19 February 2014 17:34, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 03:42:48AM +0000, chris peck wrote:
> > >>how can facts exist that are not grounded in observation at some point?
> >
> > Russell and Liz are wandering around the countryside and Liz points at
> the ground and says:
> >
> > "there's a gold coin buried right there."
> >
> > Russell says:
> >
> > "no there isn't"
> >
> > They both walk on without looking. And in the subsequent march of
> history no - one ever looks.
> >
> > Surely, at least one unobserved fact was stated? Maybe even 2 if you are
> an MWIer.
>
> Nice example. I would say it is not a fact (in this universe). Of
> course, in the Multiverse, there will be observers of both facts, as
> well as worlds, like ours, in which it is not a fact (a superposition
> in other words).
>
> But I can see that someone like Deutsch would say that the Multiverse
> is decohered, and that there is a matter of fact about whether the
> coin is there, even if we don't know it. I just happen to disagree
> with Deutsch, and can think of no experiment to distinguish whether
> he's right or I'm right.
>
> A difference that makes no difference is no difference.

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